State Sovereignty Movements Gaining Support
August 10, 2009 by Bob Livingston
Not since the rebellion in America was quashed in 1865 with the surrender of Robert E. Lee to Ulysses S. Grant has so much attention been paid to state sovereignty as is being paid today.
More than 35 states have passed or are considering state sovereignty amendments, according to the Tenth Amendment Center. Just before leaving office, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin signed a bill declaring that state’s sovereignty, joining Tennessee Gov. Phil Bresdesen in that regard.
States are finally becoming fed up with the increasingly dangerous non-Constitutional overreach of the Federal Government, and State Legislatures are working to stop it.
Unfortunately, many of today’s voting-age Americans have never even read the U.S. Constitution. Apparently, most civics classes in public schools today dwell on other things. So far too many people have no clue how far their government has overreached and taken away their liberty.
But here’s the truth: the Constitution gives the three branches of government certain enumerated powers. Those not enumerated are reserved to the states, and to the people.
The 10th Amendment describes it: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, or prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
Yet despite that, since the Southern states were prohibited from removing themselves from an alliance that no longer worked in their favor—an alliance they entered into voluntarily—the U.S. government has grown increasingly more powerful. It could do so because the last remaining restraints on its power—the option that states had to leave the union—had been eliminated.
Here’s what has transpired since: During reconstruction the Republican Party centralized government, subsidized railroads, raised taxes on Southern property and businesses—then confiscated the property when taxes couldn’t be paid—and established an education system that taught a revisionist history of the run-up to and causes of the war (and the government-run education system continues this today). Congress also continued the first income tax—an unconstitutional act—that had been implemented by Pres. Abraham Lincoln.
In 1917 Congress established the Federal Reserve, a non-Constitutional entity with the power to control the U.S. money supply. In the 1930s, in response to The Great Depression, President Franklin Roosevelt pushed through New Deal provisions that further empowered the Federal Government while enriching certain constituencies. And now, in response to the global financial crisis, first President George W. Bush then President Barack Obama pushed through extra-constitutional spending bills. Obama then compounded the problems by nationalizing the financial and automobile markets; an action, again, that benefitted certain constituencies.
And now the Federal Government is proposing an even further overreach by attempting to enact legislation to cap carbon dioxide emissions and tax energy companies that exceed arbitrarily set limits of the element, and to restrict your access to adequate healthcare.
It seems from the mood of many in our country we may have reached a tipping point as a result of these latest actions. Radio talk shows are alive with voices proposing—demanding even—that America return to the Constitutional roots. Protests denouncing the growing government are increasing in frequency and support.
Unfortunately, many in America still don’t understand what all the hubbub is about. So, to help them understand, here are 10 talking points from the Tenth Amendment Center:
- The People created the federal government to be their agent for certain enumerated purposes only. The Constitutional ratifying structure was created so it would be clear that it was the People, and not the States, that were doing the ratifying.
- The Tenth Amendment defines the total scope of federal power as being that which has been delegated by the people to the Federal Government, and also that which is absolutely necessary to advancing those powers specifically enumerated in the Constitution of the United States. The rest is to be handled by the State Governments, or locally, by the people themselves.
- The Constitution does not include a congressional power to override state laws. It does not give the judicial branch unlimited jurisdiction over all matters. It does not provide Congress with the power to legislate over everything. This is verified by the simple fact that attempts to make these principles part of the Constitution were soundly rejected by its signers.
- If the Congress had been intended to carry out anything they claim would promote the “general welfare,” what would be the point of listing its specific powers in Article I, Section 8, since these would’ve already been covered?
- James Madison, during the Constitutional ratification process, drafted the “Virginia Plan” to give Congress general legislative authority and to empower the national judiciary to hear any case that might cause friction among the states, to give the congress a veto over state laws, to empower the national government to use the military against the states, and to eliminate the states’ accustomed role in selecting members of Congress. Each one of these proposals was soundly defeated. In fact, Madison made many more attempts to authorize a national veto over state laws, and these were repeatedly defeated as well.
- The Tenth Amendment was adopted after the Constitutional ratification process to emphasize the fact that the states remained individual and unique sovereignties; that they were empowered in areas that the Constitution did not delegate to the Federal Government. With this in mind, any Federal attempt to legislate beyond the Constitutional limits of Congress’ authority is a(n) usurpation of state sovereignty—and unconstitutional.
- Tragically, the Tenth Amendment has become almost a nullity at this point in our history, but there are a great many reasons to bring it to the forefront. Most importantly, though, we must keep in mind that the Founders envisioned a loose confederation of states—not a one-size-fits-all solution for everything that could arise. Why? The simple answer lies in the fact that they had just escaped the tyranny of a king who thought he knew best how to govern everything—including local colonies from across an ocean.
- Governments and political leaders are best held accountable to the will of the people when government is local. Second, the people of a state know what is best for them; they do not need bureaucrats, potentially thousands of miles away, governing their lives. Think about it. If Hitler had ruled just Berlin and Stalin had ruled just Moscow, the whole world might be a different place today.
- A constitution which does not provide strict limits is just the thing any government would be thrilled to have, for, as Lord Acton once said, “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
- We agree with historian Kevin Gutzman, who has said that those who would give us a “living” Constitution are actually giving us a dead one, since such a thing is completely unable to protect us against the encroachments of government power.
If you want to first halt then reverse the tide of government overreach, pass these points around to your friends and send them to your state and U.S. representatives.
I am an ex school teacher who has observed over the past fifteen years or so, the dumbing down of our students and here, we are. Looking at evil right in the face. Literally it is in our face as we speak. As a Christian woman , a mom, and a grand mom, I am appalled at what our country has become. Nothing but a bunch of liberal fools, bureaucrats running our govt and taking advantage of my tax dollars. God help our country WAKE UP. I am FOR ALL AMERICANS. I AM A CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRAT. THE REPUBLICANS ARE A BUNCH OF HYPORCRITES.. I am a proud American woman who sees our country going down the tubes if we do not all UNITE and pull together..
How true.
Dear Helen: Does it mean if the states are under the 10th amendment, the people there won’t have to have that ungodly health care system they are trying to put on us? Please let me know because I live near the border of a state & would run there if this is the case. Thanks.
since you brought up the health care issue, I was wondering what is wrong with it? What is Washington trying to force on us? Do I have to be afraid? I’ve heard something like a death pannel?
Where do you get your info so I can see it too.
Billy this comes from the Constitution of the United States. This is how our country began. The freedom that we have or had is why immigrants want to come to United States. Many are coming to escape over reaching and oppressive Governments.
you must be very young or you would know what will happen.
Billy,
According to one site it is currently 1018 pages long. Here is a link to see the entire bill: (http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/07/racial_preferences_in_the_demo_1.html) You will have to cut and paste in the address field of your browser as this blog cannot handle underscores in the link.
Keep in mind that the 2nd Amendment is only one sentence long and I’m sure you’re aware of the many different interpretations of that law. Imagine the amount of court time this bill is going to see. The lawyers will be happy.
The problum is the united states is a corporation, so is the federal reserve. corp are there own person. seperate and not controled by the people, but by managers. a corp is only responsible for its self. so are cityes, countys, all under marityne law. to fix this problum we must turn to land law or the law of the land. this is Gods law and makes people equal, and God is supreme.God’s law is simple and fair to all.
The problem with the proposed government run health care bill like the one proposed in the House bill, 88.1 million people will see their employer sponsored health plan completely disappear. And even if you have private insurance, and kept it, they would have to conform to new federal benefit standards, and these so called upgrades will undoubtedly cost you more. For more info, go to http://www.heritage.org/press/factsheet/fs0036.cfm and click on “Top 10 reasons why obamacare is wrong for America”. It pretty much spells it out in black and white english.
YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT…
Yea a conservative democrat like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, or Henry Waxman. Those dems, if given the chance will totally allow the destruction of our once great country, Wake up don’t be a fool…….
Dont even put the word “conservative” on the same page with the name Nancy Pelosi. That woman is a twit.
A “Conservative Democrat” that is an oxymoron, as is a “Republican hypocrite”. Neither political party is worth a damn. They have been working together for decades to bring us where we are today. You being an educator, or so claimed, should have the insight of this nations history. That being said, you are aware that one party has been more involved with equality of the races, less government control and standing strong on the founding principle of this nation. While the other party has done and continue to this day, the opposite.
there is no such thing as a conservative democrat. Who do you think is ruinning the country? How can repub. be hypocrites? The democrats have benn ruining the educational system since LBJ. they were in charge. I moved to cal. in 1969. We use to have a great educational system. It has been trashed by democrats.
I am a real conservative. We don’t need any teachers unions, we don’t need the NEA, CTA or any other organization to screw up the kids anymore than they already are. No more tenure. Start using capibility instead.
I have always thought that teachers should pass a minimum test on the subject they teach. Do away with union that allow tenured teachers to become lazy. We Americans have put up with the way things have become. I have noticed good (new) teachers never invited back due to tenure and,Oh! Yes, different political views.
Now we have Obama and Crew as a result.
Barry, a teacher’s main concern is in teaching content area (math, science, English, biology, etc.). Passing a test does not guarantee you’ll get a good teacher. Some people might believe a union teacher is ‘better’ because ‘they went to a better school.’ They didn’t go to a better school. I wish unions did have schools. They would have put themselves out-of-business decades ago. They are driven by MONEY and POWER. Union teachers are self-made puppets. The net result is an expensive, inferior education. What do we have to show for all those years and wasted trillions? America has been hosed!
Union teachers are proud of their ‘efforts.’ Look at what they’ve done to our schools. They use the same ‘pride’ that Lenin used in Bolshevik Russia.
My advice is to HOMESCHOOL, and bypass teacher unions and politicians and their braindead ‘followers’ who want a piece of paper – not a solid education. It’s no accident that when a college/university recruiter looks for academic talent (scholarships), they look for homeschooled students FIRST. That’s no accident.
Teacher unions should be in large population centers, where they can promote their nation-destroying methods. The rest of the country will get an education. It will take time, but the end result will be parents who finally see what a union teacher is worth to American education, and their wrath will put an end to wealth-destroying social engineering doled out in the name of ‘education.’
So, we don’t need the NEA, but we need the NRA? Put the meth pipe down!
Foolpatrol – Get a reality check!!! the NEA is funded with PUBLIC money – our tax dollars – and the NRA is funded with private money – those who donate their own money!!!
Where is your real name??? Why are YOU hiding???
Teachers pay dues to Teachers’ Unions just like members pay dues to the NRA. That makes both entities supported by private dollars. I’d suggest learning the facts before disseminating misinformation.
What’s my real name? Why does it matter? Are you going to shoot me for having and daring to voice a different opinion? As far as you’re concerned, I merely patrol fools and provide accurate information. Try not to remain in the Fool category for your entire life!
Fool,
I know I’m late to the game, but, your facts are not so accurate. Teachers are COMPELLED to have funds automatically withdrawn from them for purposes which they as individuals have NO CONTROL. Whereas as a MEMBER of the NRA, I give so as to have my voice heard SPECIFICALLY on issues which I DEEM TO BE OF IMPORTANCE. I could say, “Go back to school”, but that wouldn’t help. Remember this, when they destroy the Constitution, they will first and foremost come after your guns. They don’t like disent. And they don’t like slaves having guns.
Foolpatrol
The NRA protects the Second Amendment of the Constitution. This is the one that gives us the power to enforce all of the other items in the “Bill of Rights”
The NEA promotes propaganda about the history of the country and requires that learning is by rote rather than by query. Their agenda is taught as fact and logical thinking is prohibited. And they avoid all discussion of the Constitution.
‘Nuff Said.
The NRA is not a union. Its voluntary. I chose to be a member of the CRPA .
Which is in Kalifornia.
No, the NRA is not a union. Nonetheless, like unions, specifically, Teachers’ Unions, it is supported by membership dues and seeks to advance the interests of its members.
All unions start as voluntary entities. Potential members vote unions in or out!
The sound of intelligence in the dark nite.
It seems you never give up on creating chaos.
Excuse me, What do you think keeps America free !
So Fool I gather That 2nd amendment should be scrapped Too perhaps You can tell me Who said this [if we had to go by the Constitution we couldn't pass any Bills ]
These unions seem to almost be cult-like. The liberals also are that way. Just follow the old party line. Don’t bother to read the bill. We wrote it …it must be OK.
When the NEA is funded by private funds it will be on the same footing as the NRA. Those who do not want to support the NRA do not have to, but those who do not support the NEA are FORCED to do so through taxation!
Are you an idiot? Statements like the one you have made are what make senisble people wonder if you’re the one hitting “the pipe”, as you say.
What a poor comparison – teachers unions vs. 2nd Amendment? Get a clue – and do us all a favor by not more posting and not making an even bigger ass of yourself.
Yes, we need the NRA to keep us free. We need to keep guns in the hands of people like Scott Roeder so they can kill people like Dr. Tiller. and keep us all safe from the Government.
But who is going to keep us safe from people like Scott Roeder?
Billy,
That’s what we have courts for. To determine if an act was a criminal offense, or a matter of self-defense. The first act of most dictators is to take away weapons from the citizens. Why? Obviously, the people don’t stand much of a chance to take back their country if they are unarmed.
I know – that can’t happen here. Of course not, our Government is composed only of good people. Dream on.
As far as keeping us safe. There are no guarantees. If someone wants to kill you, a simple wire around your neck can snuff your life. The only possible ways to give you your best chance of safety come from you and you only. I choose to be armed, even though I could take 90% of people with my bare hands (that is, if they aren’t armed). I can’t even imagine how defenseless many woman must feel, especially if they don’t have access to a weapon.
We need weapons to protect ourselves from our own government, and I mean military-grade weapons, otherwise, as you would see Gun Controlled countries become slave owning countries, even as we are about to do so now, gun registration becomes gun controlled and gunless. See You Tube, “The History of Gun Control” in six parts and get an education my friend. I don’t need any politician telling me how to contract my health insurance, take a involuntary vaccine, protect me by a crooked cop, attack me by own sons in the military or the UN German contingent from NLE09. If you can’t see this, you need to go to a private school and get a real education.
We do not need the NEA. For what? How does it benefit mankind? Not at all. We need the NRA. For What? Ill tell you what. Give a guy a gun and he will stop that shooter at the Universtity shooting everyone, or at the high school shooting everyone. Give me God and guns, and you keep the “change”.
I agree with you Bob. I have never seen a ”conservative” democRAT in my entire life. DemocRATS known as the followers of the Communist manifesto and if we look after their actions; there we go! Uncontrolled immigration, abortion, exporting American jobs, infiltrating our education system with Marxist ”ideology” and so on. DemocRATS support homosexual ”marriages”, gun-control, raising taxes, open borders and now NOBama’s DeathCare Plan with the devastating effects for the unborn and the old. I can’t see one ”conservative” idea among DemocRATic issues.
While it’s true that some Republicans are hypocrites, the stigma for the DemocRATS is overwhelmingly tend to that direction. I see both parties became the similar and behind the scenes, I think there’s an attempt to ”melt” them together and make the United States a SovietGulagUnio-type one-party dictatorship.
Wake up Americans! It doesn’t matter what party you follow (they are under control of certain powerful people) the bickering amongst the two parties is the “side show” that IS POLITICS and keeps Americans from the getting to the truth of what is really happening. The US has been hijacked by people who do not have the best interest of the majority in mind. “We the people” and “By the people for the people” now means little in this day of politician/buisness man (eg:Cheney) or politician/banker (Guittner-Summers) and their lobbyist friends.
It’s time for America to take back their country and stronger individual states is a
a good thing.
Well guess what your now president the great Obama sued the banks, and forced them to make loans to sub-prime or otherwise homeless people, with the heads of the Banking commisions, ranking members. You know their names, Barny Frank, and his good buddy, who never did anything wrong or questionable, with all his power. Look up his connection with the former head of Countrywide, and the sweetheart, or near free major jumbo loan deal he got. Oh yea, we can trust him. What else do you want to do put Satan in complete control, or have we already done that……….
THANK YOU FOR SPELLING IT OUT FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT.
Helen,
Have you looked into the Libertarian Party? They believe in personal freedom, free markets and limited government. I believe they embody the best of both major Parties.
http://www.libertarianparty.org
To see their party platform pick the Our Party tab and then Platform from the drop down list.
DaveH
There you go again pushing the Libertarian Party. They stand about as much of a chance of winning an election as Ralph Nader’s Green Party or Ross Perot’s Independent Party. Ron Paul makes some sense, but he is out of the main stream of US thought. Even he was elected as a Republican. I suspect most Libertarians are closet ultra conservative Republicans at heart anyway.
Norm,
You are obviously one of ultra-liberals who is afraid of any kind of freedom that will stop you (through the government) from helping yourself to someone else’s money.
Norm, I was born and raised democrat, and now have been a republican for 10 years, and I would gladly shift to the libertarian party if they could only get some more bonifide participants. I dont want the guy in the “lets smoke it” shirt running for governor. I want to see some normal guys and gals in there. Im tired of the dems and repubs doing whatever they can to make the other guy look bad, and the American public they are paid to represent becomes an after thought. Im sick of it. I have seen the democrats attack attack attack constantly, and finally in the last two years the republicans finally started fighting back, and they get lambasted for it. They have to fight back, I understand, but it seems anymore that is all they both do, and Im one American that is sick of it and looking for an outlet of change, and Im willing to try the libertarian party, if they can just bring me some good candidates. Ron Paul has some good points, but in all the debates he came off as being like the little kid that complains to the teachers about getting picked on on the playground. He didnt represent himself well, he came off as a whiner, and this is from a guy who is more than willing to listen intently for a different avenue to travel.
DaveH Reply: August 10th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Have not looked at their platform in years, thanks for the referral, I now know they have become as radical as republicans. I used to consider myself one of them years ago until I came to my senses and realized to be a member was to be a member of a cause that could never win and to be a part of the real world I no longer supported them and moved on. But now I see they have become extremists and I suppose that is why you are attracted to them.
Smilee,
Funny that you say that, as I was just discussing political ideas with my son about similar things. Of course I wouldn’t expect anything else from you.
So, I am an extremist for expecting the politicians to uphold the Constitution that they swear to unhold? Funny. Of course you support them in that lie (promising something they have no intention of fulfilling) because as I have said before, you want something for nothing, so the Democrats are the correct party for you.
That posting was for people who believe in the commandment “Thou shalt not steal”, and in other moral codes that help us treat our fellow human being respectfully.
In your world, the people who worked and took risks to achieve wealth are Greedy and Materialistic. But the people who want to take away their property (and money is property) are not Greedy and Materialistic. You have amazing powers of rationalization.
Dave Now I know what is wrong with our country. Do you or any one else really believe that garbage of yours. You are a democrat face it You do not believe in the constitution you want some thing for nothing and you expect every one ows you something. What do you think that obama will do with people like you when he is done with you. all I have left to say is GOD BLESS AMERICA.
Nan,
Do you have a reading disability or are you on some kind of drugs? Where did you come up with your interpretation of my politics?
Smilee, are you referring to the libertarians as extremists? Ive recently started looking into them, and I havent seen that, other than in the past theyve had the guys that wanted to legalize pot and drugs, and just not what I would call worthy candidates, but extremists, Im not sure about that. Ron Paul didnt do it for me, even though he has some good points, he didnt make a very good impression on me. I do feel that we need some new outlet, as like Ive said before, I was born and raised democrat, and voted for them until I reached 40. I was because I was born and raised that way, and my parents told me that the democrats represented the working man, and the republicans represented the rich guys, and I believed it because my mom and dad raised me that way. But when I turned 40, I quit drinking, quit smoking pot, quit womanizing and doing all the destructive things Id did all my life, and gave my life to Jesus. I actually started paying attention to this politics stuff, and allthough I have to say in reality both sides of all the politcal aisles are full of crooks and corruption, the republican party holds today more closer my ideals of life, family, God and country, than do the democrats, who closely hold so many things that are in direct violation of Gods word, that I cant vote for them. But like I said, both sides have bad bad stuff going on, and now all they do is want to stand around and blame Bush, blame Obama, point the finger, and say look what he did, and Im sick of it. Im looking for a new avenue in politics, but it hasnt arrived yet. Id like to see a Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney, Evan Bayh, Ron Paul Jr., and some others form a new party, and distance themselves from both the current policies of their current parties, and start an American party where the politician actually represents the American people.
To helen smith owen. You said and I quote, “Nothing but a bunch of liberal fools, bureaucrats running our govt and taking advantage of my tax dollars. I am FOR ALL AMERICANS. I AM A CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRAT. THE REPUBLICANS ARE A BUNCH OF HYPORCRITES”, end quote. Calling yourself a Conservative Democrat is the biggest oxymoron I have ever heard. That is like calling yourself an athiest christian. Than you call Republicans Hypocrites. I just looked in the dictionary under hyprcrites and lo’ and behold, there was your picture.
Calling yourself a Conservative Democheat is like calling ethnic people born in America, an African American, Italian American, Irish American. IF YOU WERE BORN IN AMERICA YOU ARE AN AMERICAN, GET USED TO IT, GET OVER IT AND LIVE WITH IT. The Blacks born in America who call themselves African American are doing more to divide racial relations than anyone. Can you even point out Africa on the map? This goes for all ethnic races, not just the blacks.
You are probably a proponent of gun control too. Blaming guns for killing people is like blaming spoons for making Rosie O’Donnel fat or blaming the enviroment in Hollywood for making Liberal Hollywood celebrities stupid.
I do agree that ‘United we stand – Divided we fall’.
Make up your mind and take a stand or stay on the fence and look and sound like a fool.
Jim, I like your view. You make very good sense and explain these things in a understandable manner. Being a little kinder in your manner of correcting people will take you a long way.
Ron,
I agree but sometimes you have to get their attention, like slapping them upside the head to wake them up.
amen brother
Jim, when asked what race I am, I simply check ‘other’ and write in HUMAN. That’s what we are. It’s time to remove the barriers of we the people really are. Thank you for your comments.
The republicans have indeed fallen from what they once were, but if you continue to vote democrat, you will quicken the demise of this country. They are immoral baby killing gay elevating, God eliminating, Christian prohibiting left wing liberals. thats it.
Mark
Run Sarah Palin in 2012 and Republicans are finito.
Norm
Confused Americans Voted Obama In– Now the country is FINITO
I’m not Republican obviously, but why are you liberals so afraid of Sarah? I don’t know much about her, other than the entrenched politicians are afraid of her, like they were afraid of Ronald Reagon.
It’s kind of comical to me, because it is a well known fact that the more exposure someone gets, the better their chances of gaining political office.
You liberals are just giving Sarah free publicity. But then, I haven’t known too many bright liberals.
DaveH Reply: August 10th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
I do not know why you feel liberals are afraid of her, all the liberals I know think she is the biggest joke played on the voters in a century or more. I voted twice for Reagan and in hind site which is 20/20 I now realize it was one of the biggest mistakes of my life time, but to give him credit Sarah is no Reagan, what an insult that is to him. Exposure works both ways, if she is the joke we think she is exposure of her works to the democrats advantage. My guess is by time 2012 comes around the republicans will distance themselves from her as well and realize she would be a loser for them
Yeah, the liberal scumbag media will see that Palin is never elected…they have made it their lot in life to destroy her and her family
Come on man! Sarah Palin is lucky if she can even dress herself in the morning let alone be President. Even if she is elected she will just quit after a year or so when things get to be too hard for her. She’s a quitter and a loser. She should stay in Alaska and keep her mouth shut.
Linda C,
Disgusted Americans voted Obama in. They were tired of the Rublican do nothing yes men rule in Washington. If the Republicans would have done a good job they would still be in the Majority. Think about it. Duhhhhhhhhhh!
Yes, The Republicans have not been much better than the Democrats. Both have grown the size of government dramatically. But at the next presidential elections pay attention. See how the major media don’t give 3rd parties a chance to get into the debates. See how the major media give lots of attention to the most liberal of the Republican primary candidates, then once they have gotten their man into the Republican nomination, they drop him like a hot potato. That is because they want the most pro-Big-Government candidates they can get. The major media is making our political choices for us. Of course, they don’t want anyone who promotes capitalism, because in a truly free-enterprise system the media moguls would possibly/probably lose their high-paid positions to someone else.
There is little doubt in my mind that government will keep growing and keep taking away our personal choices and our money until our country collapses. But at least I won’t have to live with the guilt that I helped create that situation.
DavidH
Who pays the salaries of the media? It’s the sponsors they get. The sponsors pay for time to advertise their product on a TV network or magazine or whatever. That is how Broadcasting networks make their money. The advertisers get their money from selling their goods. This is capitolism. So to say the media is against capitolism is just stupid. That’s how they get their money. If they were getting it from the government then I could understand. But if they end capitolism they cut off their own pay check.
Billy,
No, not stupid at all. I guess a better way to put it would have been to say they are against free enterprise. The media moguls like their big paychecks. They don’t want a free market because then they would be subject to greater competition. Their advertisers, by way of the big expense of commercials are almost always big companies who also would prefer less competition. I guess a good example would be the way Bill Gates turned a small time garage business into a hugely successful competitor against the giant IBM. You can bet that wouldn’t have been so easy in these times with all the myriad regulations on business which make it difficult for small startups.
With the government regulating the marketplace, those companies that learn to be good sycophants can prevail over the others. In a free enterprise environment, they would instead have to produce the better product or better service or fall prey to their competition.
Billy,
If you are really interested there are many publications that explain the benefits of the free marketplace (which we don’t have currently). One is “In Defense of Free Capital Markets” by David F DeRosa.
Also Reason.org is a good place to find free market concepts.
DaveH
Two points:
1. There really is competition between networks, albeit relativly friendly, for sponsers and popularity. Popularity is judged by ratings pollssuch as Nielson. Shows that aren’t watched enough are dropped
fairly quickly. I might add that the Fox Network is no different than the others. Hate radio operates in the same way as well.
2. Bill Gates was never in competetion with IBM. Gates sold the DOS operating system(software) to to IBM (a hardware company) when IBM got into the personal computer business. Incidently IBM
had a better alternative called CPM, but failed to negotiate a a deal for it. Bill later went on to form
Microsoft, a strictly software company, and sold DOS and Windows to all computer makers who were interested.
DaveH
In the above post, I stated that IBM was a hardware company. Actually, they do produce application and specialized software for their large mainframe computers as well. Microsoft produces PC software and has never had a competetive product.
Apologize for the sloppyness above as well.
I’m afraid of Sarah because she’s just smart enough to get fool people into electing her, but not nearly smart enough to be President.
SKIPPY! THAT IS EXACTLY WHO WE HAVE NOW!! DUUUUH!
If you appalled at what our country has become, then you should think a more deeply and serach for the truth, salt and light,as christian you should know this
Principle.
The demacratic platform and christianity go together like oil and water
Tim Reply: August 10th, 2009 at 11:13 am
So do the constitution and Christianity, that’s why the founders separated the two and made sure the two did not have a chance of combining. Separation of Church and State, is a great thing for both
Tim you had better read the constitution again you have no Idea what you are talking about. Why do you think our country is in the shape that it is in, BECAUSE we have turned our back on god and you people” elected” the devil himself.
Tim, I am NOT going to say you are ignorant but I would like to ask you to consider this, first the words “sepatation” Chuch” or state” do NOt appear in the constitution! Now the other thing is where did the saying separation of church and state come from? Well in 1824 I believe, the Danbury baptists wrote Thomas Jefferson and ask him the facts regarding the rumor that there was a church being made a state church. Well, Mr Jeffersons answer is that letter. He said that there was a “one way wall of separtation, between church and state. (notice you never here the “ONE WAY” in that separation…..statement. Mr Jefferson also said that “Christians were preferred for our polititions, and they were.! Its just that the govt could not run the church but the people in a church could run the govt. Not you have the facts!!!!
Nan Reply: August 10th, 2009 at 7:05 pm AND
homer Reply: August 10th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
First Jefferson was not one of the authors of the constitution, second, the first amendment may not use the word separation but that does not mean it does not mean that, that word has become the word of choice to describe it. Its true meaning has been developed by rulings of the Supreme Court in some of their rulings and it is they that give it its legal meaning not any letter that is not part of the law and is nothing but his opinion but I guess you feel your interpretation is the correct one even if the court does not agree with you and that is what you, Homer and Nan seem to understand, Nan interprets the constitution by using the bible and not the constitution which she obviously does not understand and you Homer look for it meaning elsewhere as well, No, you did not give me the facts what you gave me is your opinion and you did not get it from the supreme court rulings and they are the true meaning of separation of church and this letter has no legal standing in this issue. Just to give you one example from several is the court’s rulings is no prayers in public schools, the reason given is the first amendment separates church from state, that sir is the facts weather you like it or not is irreverent it is still the constitutional interpretation of separation of church and state by the courts. The two of you should reread the constitution and try to understand the real meaning of it and you both would be better off if you did not inject you own meaning of it as both of your meanings are totally wrong. THAT IS THE FACTS!!
I beg your pardon if you miss understood my comment I was not referring to the separation of church and State.
I’m very aware of why our founders put this in place and I’m in total agreement with there wisdom
I was merely referring to the typical immoral agenda of the democratic party such as pro choose, pro gay rights an so on.
These things certainly do not display Christian values.
And further more “NAN” I have not turned my back on God and THIS PERSON DIDN’T VOTE FOR THE DEVIL!!!!!!!
A liberal can be spotted every time they talk, because all that comes out is ignorance.All liberals say there is a separation of church and state, but in reality the constitution does not say that anywhere. The only thing it says on that subject is in the 1st. amendment quote ” Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;” unquote. That shouldn’t be too hard to understand. The government cannot force or deny any religion to anyone. That does not say religion has no place in government. One of the reasons they left Great Britain was for religious freedom. Most of them were christians and that’s why we have a constitution. This country was founded on christianity. I challenge you to show me anywhere in the constitution a separation of church and state.
Don Reply: August 11th, 2009 at 12:47 am
Don
You seem to have a hard time comprehending what I really said. It is not liberals that have said there is a separation of church and state it is the Supreme Court in its rulings that have made that clear and you apparently are so arrogant that you think you can interpret the constitution better than they, what you fail to understand is you position is irreverent as the courts have rendered it so by their rulings. I do not have to show you, the Supreme Court has done that but as usual you conservatives who seem to think you are smarter that any expert and deal with all their mistakes by blaming them on some one else as they are so irresponsible and are unable to admit the error of their ways. One example: The court ruled that pray in public schools and some public places is unconstitutional because there is a separation of church and state, therefore when you are in a place owned by everyone you cannot force your religion on the rest of the public that may or may not agree with your beliefs. Liberals for the most part respect others beliefs on this, conservatives through are hell bent on forcing themselves on others by demanding this special privilege and the courts still say, NO, NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH!!
Smilee,
Apparently Don can interpret the 1st Amendment better than the Supreme Court can. It is in plain English. And it says simply “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or preventing the free exercise thereof”. The key word here is “Congress”. What you are citing are cases of Judicial Activism which we are going to see more of now that Sotomayor has been approved. If you were correct and they were interpreting only the letter of the law (in this case the constitution) then there would rarely be 5-4 decisions. When in fact, 5-4 decisions are very common (51 in the last 3 years). Apparently, only 5 of the 9 justices are well-versed on the Constitution.
DaveH Reply: August 11th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
You are entitled to your opinion, however it and Don’s are irrelevant as it is the Supreme Court’s that has meaning yours and Don’s does not. Unless you are a lawyer you probably are incapable of understanding anyway other than in the simple amateur way you present your opinion, these opinions where not made in the last three years. You may think they are activist judges but most attorneys will not agree with you. It sounds to me what you want is activist judges that will interpret it your way instead of by the constitution. Sorry you really are not capable of understanding it and whining because you can not have your way. It is apparent it is far far to deep for your simple mind.
Yes, those darn Gays. Who do they think they are? They have no rights under American Laws. They are not one of us. They are a threat to my way of life. Next thing you know we will all have to be gay.
Now isn’t that just a stupid reaction but that’s how you all act. Didn’t Jesus teach us to love everyone? But yet you so called Christians seem to find plenty of people to hate. You are not fooling God. He knows how hatefull you all are.
How simple you are. Do you remember Sodom and Gamorea. Well whoever was in charge, damn sure a judgement on them. Or maybe that was just a farrie tale, from the Old Testament. Enough about that, put the most Liberal rabid justices on our Supreme Court, need names, T Marshel, R Gensburg, former chief lawyer of the ACLU, anti american Communist org. And let’s not forget Stephens, he claims he’s a communist and proud of it. Yea put those dicks in charge of Constitutation and see what happens.
Eric,
I don’t remember Sodom and Gamorea. I’m not that old. But judging from how you act and how barbarick you are you must be that old. Sodom and Gamorea. may or may not be true. It could have very well been a made up story by people just like you that are looking for ways and justification to hate people that are different or that you don’t agree with. I would like to know how a gay person affects your rights?
Eric,
So far Obama has gotten 1 person appointed to the supreme court. How many did GW Bush get appointed?
The problem is this – Partisan politics.
We need to put aside the Democrat verses the Republicans, the us against them mentality. It is how they keep themselves in power. The arguments should be about words. What is right and what is wrong. Listen to the language and the meaning of the language. The first thing I look for in an argument is this, are they using fear, or any emotion to justify a position? If so, LOOK very closely.
We are all Americans, we need to unify to correct what is wrong.
This nations strength is founded in the principal of opportunity. People from nations all over the world came here for the opportunity to improve ones life. They did not come because we guaranteed it. We provided only the OPPORTUNITY, that if you worked hard and coontributed to our society, you would improve your life. We have devolved into the land of free stuff. Free medical treatment, welfare, housing, food stamps, etc., etc.. The irony in this, it is these very programs that are destroying our nations ability to create wealth, becasue we are allowing the Federal governement to confiscate our wealth.
We allow it because they prey on our EMOTIONS.
Stand up, Stand Proud, Stand Loud and let us take back our nation from the thieves. You can recognize them, whether they are democrat or republican, because they spend your money for your own good. That is Wrong! It is yours.
I wholeheartedly agree.
There is a growing number of folks who believe (including myself who read the book some years ago called “No One Dares Call It A conspiracy”) that neither party really has full control over our government.
It was suggested by this same book and now many other folks that the “fed” which is a privately owned corporation controls our banks also has a strong strangle hold on both parties. If this is true, and it does seam quite feasible, then the two parties are allowed to fight over god, abortion, health care, the environment, the weather and on and on and on until the people become completely numb with apathy. However the outcome, life goes on as usual and things get steadily worse because it doesn’t matter that much which party wins the government is still under the same control.
The biggest story of the century is going mostly unreported and ignored by the very same folks that we depend on to keep us abreast of events that matter to us. And for why? Is it because they fear ridicule? or is because they are owned by the same who would perpetrate the demise of this grand country?
I was involved with the campaign for Ross Perot and watched very carefully how he was finally defeated. It took the work of a team of experts to find out how to push Ross’s buttons and that is how he blew the race to the white house.
It has been said that we will never have another chance to run a third party with any degree of success again. I think that this is wrong minded and a defeatist attitude and I think that the time has come that the people will find a way to vote the two party system out of office. A good start would be for the voting public to decide that no matter who runs for either of the two parties, that they will only vote for a confirmed third party candidate no matter what their name is. This would probably induce more qualified folks to run on a third party ticket. The only concern would be keeping the fed from putting up their own shill and this is another good reason to make the fed transparent and open up their books.
was That book written in 1971?
Lyle
Great book, read it myself and one of several along
same lines, you’re also dead on regarding FED, which
may possibly be the ONLY outfit in the world that
has not been subjected to an AUDIT that is meaningful
and thorough. Sorry the it’s not the only one, add to
it the “gold reserves” at fort knox, which has fought
for decades to quash and idea of an audit of what it
contains, and rightly so since it’s EMPTY for the most
part, the gold is gone, and by the way it’s none of
anyone’s business, but the FED’s.
The problem is, now money and power control everything. We now have orgs like Seiu, Accorn, Apollo, funded by the most un-american of them all, who wants the very collapse of the USA
Well here’s the deal. You have orgs like Seiu, accorn, and apollo, funded by a man that is driving the country to collapse. He tried the same thing in Europe , and was kicked out. George Soros might be Satan. ;He makes another billion betting and causing the demise of the USA. He’s good at it, he did the same thing in France, and then England. He made his 1′st power move, turning in his friends and family to the Nazi’s in WW2, swearing he was not a Jew, but Catholic. And most people think Bernie Madoff was a bastard Jew…….
Sarah ‘give me free, it’s not my fault’ Palin’s Government Health Plan?
reprinted from ADN
“Sarah Palin, YOU ARE A HYOCRITE!! Down Right EVIL*??
Alaska 1st QUITTER Governor’s husband Todd� IS.. Alaska Native. His mother is 50% Alaska Native. Todd Palins Territorial Generations of Alaska Native families, his children (from birth) have qualify for Full Medical Services through Ak Native Med. Center { plus 40 other United States *FEDERAL* Medical Facilities}.
Our Native Medical Services from the Territory has been Governed thru The Bureau of Indian Affairs. Since Statehood, Alaska Medical Coverage is Managed through Indian Public Health [IPH] and Public Health Svc [PHS].
This Medical Service IS STILL GOVERNED and SUBSIDIZED or Supported Financially BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT & the State OF Alaska!!”
It’s government healthcare, STUPID! GOVERNMENT!
If the care offered to Native Alaskans is as poor as the care provided to Native Americans you are offering an extremely poor example of government run health care! My sister in law is a missionary on a reservation in N.M. and the care our government gives our natives is so bad most have rotten teeth! Even getting a broken bone set is an ordeal. I doubt very much that the Palin’s are on the Alaskan Indian health care plan, but if they are I hope they have purchased supplemental insurance for their family1
If it’s good enough for her beloved Alaskans, why isn’t it good enough for Sarah ‘give me free, it’s not my fault, what’s in it for me’ Palin?
Depends on whether the recipient of the medical treatment is on a rural isolated reservation, igloo, or in close proximity to healthcare providers and services. Same is true for underserved rural areas with few doctors. Also depends on how we value the lives and health of human beings, all human beings. Funny how we demand that eveyone is born and after birth, some can’t get a cavity filled or a broken bone set, isn’t it?
It’s all relative, isn’t it? Many poor families who don’t have access to basic preventative care and diagnostic tests to detect life threatening conditions believe that some coverage is better than none.
FOOLpatrol, it’s time to patrol yourself again. The NEA is a hte-group corrupting children (and teachers) minds, while the NRA is a constitutional right defender citizen group. The NEA is endorsed and supported by huge government money while the NRA gets only hate and slandering from the government.
Being on the Left is not necessary to be fool. But many of your kind tend to be, simply bc the socialist-marxist ”ideas” have no real basics, only leninist hatred. And looks like this country had – finally! – enough from it.
Palin a Clear & Present Danger to Nation! Oberman on point on Palin.
Part 1 –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5HgfwPtxLw
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0gen_HoxrM
Wink for leadership!
reprinted from ADN comments
“Palin is lecturing on death panels?
What about the 250 that died waiting to the assessed/reassessed for services.
The federal government had to shut the program for elderly and disabled down. Did she fix it; no she quit and went to New York meet with her publishers.”
Foolproof…you must not be on the same page the rest of us are on. What are you reading…or should I say who are you talking to?
Roger you are so right! It was Thomas Jefferson who said “when a government takes from those who are willing to work,and give it to those who are not willing to work,..then democracy ceases to exist”. And this is where we find ourselves now. We can not continue to support able bodied people just because they have babies out of wedlock. Now we have illegals that take our taxes too,without ever paying into the system. 40% of the population. The rest of us go to work every day to support them. It has to stop.
Debra
Gov. Palin knows all about the death panels as she is quilty of them. Please read the article below.
Palin’s Health Care Priorities and Alaska’s Daughter
07/15/2009
Today, Lisa Demer of the Anchorage Daily News has broken a story that adds another scandal to the growing list of scandals that have plagued this administration, and shines the light on Alaska’s very own health care crisis. Demer’s story centers on the horrendous condition of the Alaska’s state programs that are designed to help its most vulnerable citizens, the elderly and disabled.
The situation is so bad the federal government has forbidden the state to sign up new people until the state makes necessary improvements. [snip]
The moratorium is expected to last four or five months. State officials estimate about 1,000 Alaskans will be affected.
A particularly alarming finding concerns deaths of adults in the programs. In one 2 1/2 year stretch, 227 adults already getting services died while waiting for a nurse to reassess their needs. Another 27 died waiting for their initial assessment, to see if they qualified for help.
No other state in the nation is under such a moratorium, according to a spokeswoman for the federal Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services.
There are currently eight lawsuits pending against the state which also rang alarm bells on the federal level.
Doctors and other health care providers wrote to the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid with concerns that the state wasn’t responsive. Some alleged that the lack of state controls “has resulted in the death(s) of the active clients,” the federal review said.
While the people served are frail and suffer from chronic health issues, the state never investigated to determine if any failure in service contributed to the deaths, the federal review found.
“Thus, if someone passed away because a (personal care assistant) did not show up, for example, there was no indication this would have been reported or investigated,” the report said.
The state plans to start doing fatality reviews.
The state plans to start doing fatality reviews?
So, it would appear, since we are the only state where the situation is bad enough to require federal intervention that the administration has had its mind on other things. We know, of course, that the governor has been busy with her farewell tour, flying all over the state and signing bills and doing little shout outs and quotes of the day on her twitter account, and getting ready to become a full-time celebrity.
But what about health? What have been, and what currently are the administrations top priorities on matters of health and human services? It’s obviously not the care and well-being of our vulnerable seniors, so what is it?
The administration is spending an awful lot of time on the upcoming ballot initiative that will address parental notice and consent for anyone under the age of 18 who is seeking to terminate a pregnancy. Here is the initiative language with recent changes in language underlined. parental20involvement20initiative1
Two years ago, the Alaska Supreme Court on a 3-2 ruling said that a parental consent law was unconstitutional because it transferred the right to make such an important decision to a parent or a judge. They also stated that a parental notification law, however, might be constitutional.
Although she stated she’d like to take this on personally, Palin, under the advice of her attorney, took a step back.
“I got a preliminary opinion from Law (Department) just giving me a heads up that critics would certainly file an ethics charge against me if I were to sponsor an initiative,” she said. “So though I maintain I have First Amendment rights just as any other citizen does, I won’t flirt with the notion of giving critics more ammunition to keep filing wasteful ethics charges against me, but instead I’ll volunteer to be the first signature.”
There go those critics again, demanding ethics. And there goes the governor again, not quite understanding the first amendment, or the ethics act.
Planned Parenthood, recognizing that a girl who doesn’t want to tell her parents she’s pregnant, or fill out paperwork to get time off from school to go stand before a judge in superior court and convince him or her that she is mature and intelligent enough to make decisions about her own reproductive health, might just take the situation in to her own hands.
Girls researching self-induced abortion on the Internet could find all kinds of bad advice, said Clover Simon, Executive Director of Planned Parenthood.
In the week prior to Sarah Palin’s hurried announcement that she’d be stepping down as the governor of the state, a new scandal was brewing on the horizon. It didn’t get as much publicity as some of the other numerous Palin scandals, in part because everyone became preoccupied with her resignation.
The fact that a frightened teen who doesn’t want to become a parent might do what others have done and just try to Google her way out of her predicament may have crossed the mind of Beverly Wooley, the state’s public health director, who was scheduled to appear before the legislature on this issue. She stated, earlier this month that she was forced out of her position, largely due to differences between her and the governor on the parental involvement issue.
Wooley said she also intended to answer questions from legislators and said she would rely on data, not anyone’s personal beliefs. Whether she personally agreed with the governor is beside the point, Wooley said.
She intended to refer to studies from states that already had passed similar legislation, she said. Some of the research shows that, with parental involvement requirements, girls tend to get abortions later in their pregnancy, which is riskier and more expensive, she said. Other research shows fewer girls get abortions, which abortion foes like Palin likely would applaud.
And while Palin says she “will not hesitate to speak up in support of Alaska’s daughers,” her concern does not seem to extend to Alaska’s daughters whose parents are literally dying from neglect because of budget cuts and mismanagement. The “culture of life” seems to have an expiration date that our seniors have passed. And left out are Alaska’s daughters who will choose not to talk to their parents, and take matters in to their own hands rather than submit to the emotional stress, embarrassment and legal wranglings of convincing a judge that they were abused, or the victim of incest, or just not ready to be a parent.
By all indications Lt. Governor Sean Parnell, who is set to take the helm of state on July 26th will have his work cut out for him. His predecessor has left him quite a mess. Where will his priorities lie?
Sarah is probably a nice person. She kind of reminds of EllieMay Clampett of the old Beverley Hillbillies TV show (circa 1960′s for you newbies). I agree she’s a hypocrite and intellegence isn’t one of her strong suits.
On Friday she blurted out her first hysterical hyperbole since quitting her job. Distilling the entire 1,000-page health care reform proposal into two syllables, “evil,” she warned her 700,000 Facebook friends that if health care reform comes from this administration, it would mean government-decreed death sentences for disabled children and old folks.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
The scenario she paints would indeed be evil, but it’s just bad fiction. There is no truth to it. President Obama addressed this directly saying, “Nobody is going to be forcing you to make a set of decisions on end-of-life care based on some bureaucratic law in Washington.” And factcheck.org has also denied these false euthanasia claims.
Norm…So President Obama addressed this directly…duh….and you believed him? That is exactly why this doof is in the White House. Too many people took him at his word. HE IS A LIAR! He and his ilk will say anything to get their way. Stop drinking the kool aid. Geez why won’t this country WAKE UP!
Norm, you are a fool if you believe Obama. Because this bill is not specific, the bureaucrats will make the rules. Congress proposes, bureaucrats disposes. If anyone reading the bill can come to those conclusions, so can the bureaucrats.
Anything not specifically in the bill can be taken to any length. Why should we see a doctor 5 times a year to discuss end of life issues. We’ve already done that with a lawyer and written our wills, both probate and living.
The details of this bill have not been written, only the proposals. The devil is in the details.
Martin and American Citizen,
Where do you get your information? Please share it with us.
See Norm, this is the kind of people that the insurance companies are counting on. Just like these two. Not very bright but very Gullible and easily controled by the media like Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck.
The amazing thing is that these same people are probably the first ones to shout don’t take my medicare away and sign up for unemployment if they lose their job.
Now think about it, If government really wanted to kill you off when you hit a certain age wouldn’t they have been doing it by now? I mean we’ve had medicare since the 60′s. Why do we spend so much on medicare to keep our elderly living if the goal is to kill them off.
You really got to stop watching Fox News and get all the facts folks.
Roger,
I agree with you somewhat. The programs you talk about are draining our wealth away. But the programs were made with good intensions. We have had social programs working well for a long time. Social Security and Medicare. People shout they don’t want government healthcare but then shout to leave their medicare alone. Duhhhhhhhhh.
The problem is free loaders. Welfare has become a way of life for so many. Programs like that need to be revised. We reward people for not working. I have know some single mothers who have applied for welfare. They were told to quit their job and then they could receive benifits. Now that’s just wrong. My friends only wanted a little extra help not full time hand outs. But so many will jump right in and say oh boy free money and be than happy to quit a job in order to get money for nothing. This is what is wrong with America. There is no desire to work hard to earn things. Everything is how much can get and how little do I have to do to get it.
This is also true of business owners. Rather than work hard to build a company to earn money they would rather buy one only to break it up and sell the pieces and make money. What happened to our great inventors such as Henry Ford, Thomas Edison and Alexandra Graham Bell? We don’t have people like that in America. Greed has consumed us. It has taken over our lives. What can I get and how little do I have to do to get it? Drug dealers can make millions simply by selling illegal drugs, then go and collect a welfare check on top of it. These are the things that are wrong. The programs were designed to help and keep people from living on the streets. But it’s greed and laziness that have destroyed them.
Billy,
Remember “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”. I’m not religious, but I think that it makes sense.
The problem lies in the fact that we can’t expect someone (politician or bureaucrat) who is not even related to us, to care about us like we care about ourselves. If we don’t care enough about ourselves to stay in school, get good grades, seek good employment, work hard, etc., then can we realistically expect someone else to take care of us? The more middle-men we employ (government) the more money is going to be wasted. Our forefathers set up a great system of individual responsibility and limited government and we have let it go.
This is what you get for wanting a change and voting for Obama.
And please tell me, how would the other guy have handled it? In true Republican fashion he would have ignored it.
Helen…This is my opinion….I don’t believe that you can truely be a Christian and be a democrat. If you believe in their platform…it kinda puts you on one side or the other. Good or evil….pick one.
I agree 100%. You cannot be saved and condone the millions of babies being murdered through your parties stance. Did you know Obama voted in favor of a bill which allowed doctors to set a baby aside to die, of it escaped an abortionist’s intentions!! This is a member of a party you support… and call yourself a christian Helen? I encourage you to do more research on your democratic leaders. Dan Healy
melinda Reply:
August 10th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
If the care offered to Native Alaskans is as poor as the care provided to Native Americans you are offering an extremely poor example of government run health care! My sister in law is a missionary on a reservation in N.M. and the care our government gives our natives is so bad most have rotten teeth! Even getting a broken bone set is an ordeal. I doubt very much that the Palin’s are on the Alaskan Indian health care plan, but if they are I hope they have purchased supplemental insurance for their family1
Foolpatrol Reply:
August 10th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
If it’s good enough for her beloved Alaskans, why isn’t it good enough for Sarah ‘give me free, it’s not my fault, what’s in it for me’ Palin?
Depends on whether the recipient of the medical treatment is on a rural isolated reservation, igloo, or in close proximity to healthcare providers and services. Same is true for underserved rural areas with few doctors. Also depends on how we value the lives and health of human beings, all human beings. Funny how we demand that eveyone is born and after birth, some can’t get a cavity filled or a broken bone set, isn’t it?
You also can’t be saved and allow 46 Million Americans to go without basic healthcare and lifesaving treatment!
Pick one?
We already did on November 4, 2008.
We picked the side committed to work to reducing the number unintended pregnancies thereby reducing the number of abortions!
We picked the side committed to providing basic healthcare to all Americans so that born human beings can be free from unnecessary pain and suffering!
We picked a side that values the born as well as the unborn!
We picked a side that understands that womens’ healthcare decisions are between God, women and doctors!
Martin Reply: August 10th, 2009 at 6:25 pm AND
IRAQI WAR VETERAN Reply: August 10th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Martin & IRAQ WAR VETERAN
Sorry to disappoint you but I’m both a Christian and a Democrat, the fact you are incapable of understanding this does not make you assessment correct. Democrat platform favors pro choice with abortion they do not condone abortion, That is we believe that God not man should deal with this issue as it is beyond mans ability to do so due to the fact of the many different medical conditions that can go with this issue and it is better left between God and the woman and not the government and the woman. After all, all man can do when they make a law against something is to gain the right to punish the perpetrators we are comfortable with leaving that to God and trust him to do the right thing.
Smiley,
Don’t tell anyone, but I agree with you on this point. It is the woman’s body at risk. Only she should be making that decision. I do think, however, that our argument becomes much muddier when the baby is viable outside the womb.
At some point that fetus becomes a citizen and therefore eligible to be protected from death at the hands of others. I personally think the baby is better off dead than to be raised by people who don’t want him/her. Of course, if there are adoptive parents waiting in the wings and there is no birth risk to the mother, then why would the mother want an abortion?
I do have a free-market solution to this dilemma (wait a minute, I’m getting on my protective armor). Why not allow the parent to sell their baby instead of aborting it? For many women that would offset the risk of death during birthing. Personally, I would rather be raised by a family that wanted me enough to pay for me than to be raised by a family that was forced to keep me.
First, there are 2 Dons on this sight. Second, Palin has it that when a girl gets raped in Alaska, she has to pay for her own rape kit out of her own pocket. Shouldn’t we have empathy and include a rape kit, but I shouldn’t be asking guys anymore than we should be asking guys about abortions?
Martin
Your assumption that Christian = good is pure conjecture.
While left wing Democrats live on fantasy island, I think their motives are generally good. It’s the extremist right wing (born again and again) Republicans that can approach the level of evil.
Martin,
Your reply to Helen, All I can say is,
OMG! That is just Bull! You are probably the one that is truely not a Christian because you hate Democrats, you hate Gays, You hate Muslims, you hate anyone that doesn’t share your warped thoughts.
Democrats generally care about everyday people. They want to help people succeed and thus the programs of Welfare and Social Security and Medicare. Republicans on the other hand step back and say fend for yourself because we don’t care what happens as long as the rich folks keep getting richer to keep our bribes coming in.
A Democrat can’t be Christian. I just love you so called born agains. I think you’ll be surprised some day.
Hey Billy boy…sounds to me like you are the hater. I didn’t say I was a Christian or a republican or born again or white or any other thing. I said in my opinion you can’t be a Christian and a democrat (really believing in the democrat platform). I think you are thinking of the democrats of yesteryear not the Nancy Pelosis and Harry Reids of this evil bunch of b**tards.
What is the Democrat platform? If you’re going to bring it up explain to me what it is. Do tell me.
So you’re telling me that in this nation where most people claim to be Christian that all those that are registered Democrat are not Christians? So my next door neighbor is not Christian? The person that works next to me is not Christian? FDR was not a Christian? JFK, another one, not a Christian?
And tell me, what exactly makes Nancy Polisi and Harry Reid, and me not Christian? Tell me I’d like to know.
Billy,
Ask and you shall receive (the Democratic Party Platform):
http://www.democrats.org/a/party/platform.html
David H
Thank you for the link, however you didn’t see anything that says or makes me think evil.
Let’s see a few you might like,
Combat terrorism
Secure the Homeland
Win in Afganistan
Good jobs with good pay
Consumer protection
Fiscal Responsiblity
Prevent Iran from aquiring nuclear weapons
Stronger Cyber Security
Expand the armed forces
Rebuild the military for 21st century Tasks
Do right by our veterans
Lift burdons on our troops and their families
Lead in Asia
and the list goes on and on. Yes, these are all very evil programs and there’s no way anyone that believes in these ideas could ever be a Christian.
Or am I missing something?
Isn’t the term, conservative democrate an oximoron first of all? Our children are slipping because of teachers who don’t know how, or don’t care enough to bring the best out of our children.. My father retired at 45 from an very good executive possition and became a teacher. He had so much respect for them until he became one himself. You see he really did wand to educate our young people. In fact he paid for the wedding of one of his students that got pregnant if you graduated. She did and he did!. For those teachers out there that go that extra mile, God bless you, for the ones in it for the 9 months and summers off……we really don’t need you. The government is taking over everthing. Are we going to let them take over our education…What happened to teaching Geography, Social Study’s American History etc.! Most kids don’t even know where Iran or Iraq is!!!! As for Obama, well, my Mama taught me,” If you can’t say something nice say nothing at all”
Ms Owen, you said you were a teacher, and you said you were a conservative democrat and then you said republicans are hypocrits.I am not sure what kind of teacher you were but may I call your attention to the “words” and to the republic for which it stands’ Now the “republic” we speak of is in fact the U.S.A. A republican form of govt is a govt in which that nation is a nation w/a govt that is based upon “GOD”S” never changing word” and yet a democracy is a govt based upon peoples rights, which we all know, change constantly.So When you call republicans Hypocrits you had better look at a form of govt that is based upon change and then remember that the bible says that we are to not be given to anyone given to change, incliding the man who ran on a platform based upon change! Thanks for listening. Bruce
Exhibit A Republican Hypocracy
Palin Pulls another Palin!
“Palin is lecturing on death panels?
What about the 250 that died waiting to the assessed/reassessed for services.
The federal government had to shut the program for elderly and disabled down. Did she fix it; no she quit and went to New York meet with her publishers.”
reprinted from ADN comments
Helen, if memory serves the subject here is about the constitutional limits of the federal government’s power. Certain powers were delegated to it in Article I, Section 8, and beyond that the national government has no power. Then to assure that the feds would not misconstrue their powers, to include rights, the people added the Bill of Rights. This bill of don’ts starts with “Congress shall make no law respecting…” five rights. Then “the right to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed” etc. The 9th Amendment says this restrictive theme on federal power applies to all rights, whether enumerated therein or not, and the 10th Amendment reminds Congress that powers not delegated to them in the Constitution are reserved to the States, or to the people.
Congress gets around that by offering states and people monetary handouts, with strings attached which then obligates the recipient to kowtow to the feds. It’s a Ponzi scheme supreme, the feds tax the people then offer some of it back, if the recipient willl submit to federal regulation. If schools accept federal ‘free lunches’ they submit to federal control over what is taught. If one college student accepts federal tuition aid, that college must then obey federal race rules. Etc.
Well put James, thats exacly it.
free money money money, it can buy votes, states, friendships, and all else.
The federal goverment has for decades did’nt have the
backing for even 10% of fed IOU’s/,tokens /coupons or
whatever they wish to call “money” or the US “dollar”, so
they just crank up the presses and print billions of paper
to pass off as “money”
This enables them to get away with what they got away with, by simply adding a few million or a few hundred million to demands for extra “powers” or “control” to the
majority of lily livered state “officials” PATHETIC !!
BUT it”s a great PONZI that enables everyone for awhile
to get free things and live beyond their means.
Try Googling “Silent weapons for Quiet Wars” it’s an
eye opening how to for the control of a Nation .
James,
Well said. And therein lies the problem. I think 90% of the people in this country would have a fit if they knew all the pies that the Federal Government has its fingers in. As I have said before, I fully expect this country (due to lack-of-knowledge and greed on the voters part) to continue to witness an ever-expanding government until it totally collapses. Once that happens, there is little hope for most of us, as the usual case after a collapse is some form of dictatorship.
I seriously hope I am wrong on this prediction.
What kind of car do you drive? That may seem like a dumb question, but do you look for a car that is safe? One with airbags and seat belts and such? Do you know that these safty features are mandated by the Government? Yup, they make sure the cars out on the road today have certain safty features in them to keep you safe. What about the FDA, think back to your history classes about the meat packing plants in the 1920′s. How bad conditions were then. Rumors of fingers and stuff being ground into meat. You know thanks to government regulations and unions we don’t have to worry as much about the meat we eat and the fdrugs we take. Now way back when the constitution was written they didn’t even think of suck issues. If you got sick, you died, or maybe not if you were lucky. In the Victorian days they gave you cocain if you got sick. Made you feel better, but didn’t cure anything. Yes the Government has it’s had in most things in our lives, that is true. But you have to admit most of it works out for the general population of the country.
Oscar,
I drive safely. That is the most important thing of all. All the safety features in the world can’t replace that. This may sound funny to you, but I used to buy the World Almanac every 5 years to check and see if all the safety mandates were saving lives. But I gave that up with 1997 being the last year, because I had to cut my expenses (having a hard time due to illness) so I gave up on the quest. So, maybe things have changed since then. But from 1982 (about the time seat belts became mandatory) to 1997 there was no statistically significant change in the number of automobile deaths per 100000 people in this country.
Now, for sure, maybe this is because people are driving more recklessly because they think they are safer. Whatever the case, we have lost freedom for little if any gain in safety.
Are you aware of the number of children whose have been decapitated by airbags? Oh, I know, they should be in the back seat in car carriers. But then what happens when the side airbags are mandatory? Do they ride in the trunk? I have seen many mothers talking to the children in the backseat while they are driving (and not watching the road in the process). This is safer? And it’s interesting that a man could sue a lawn-mower manufacturer who had no control over the man’s stupid action because he picked up a rotary mower to trim his hedge and lost some fingers. But the mothers and fathers couldn’t sue the government which actually ordered air-bags in cars when their children were decapitated. And they represent us? Give me a break.
Yes, our intrusive government is doing something beneficial for me. I am so sick of being treated like a subject that I now am not afraid of death. Thank you Liberals.
No, I don’t have to admit it works for the general population. As neither you nor I know that answer. All I know is that I’ve lost about $1,000 to thieves during my life, and about $400,000 to the government during that same period. Gee, let me weigh the benefits.
And if the Constitution is outdated, as Smilee so aptly argued, we can change it. Meanwhile, until that happens, you and your ilk are breaking the law.
Dave, I think 90% of the people in this country are having fits the media just isn’t reporting it. Tea Parties are on the increase, but they aren’t throwing British tea into Boston Harbor, they are complaining about federal misuse of its powers – whether they realize that or not. The problem is most Americans don’t know we are a Republic (Art. IV, Sec. 4), they believe we are a Democracy where the federal government has power to do whatever the most people want, and the feds love it. First comes Democracy, then Socialism, then add police power and we have Communism. FDR started us on that path and Obama will complete it.
well well things are really out of hand and a lot is misunderstood for one you can not be a true democrat and a christian the reason is democrats believe in all that is against God and for you SMILEE go back and read the constitution the courts made the ruling because they themselves do not even understand the constitution or our forfathers beliefs for your information the constitution was founded and wrote from the book of DEUTERONOMY so i would say to you our forfathers are rolling over in their graves with what we have become. I nation that turns it’s back on God will be destroyed unless it turns from it’s evil ways and America right not does not care about God or there fellow brother it does not matter what race we are we are all AMERICANS and if you do not believe in it then our forfathers work of leaving England to worship as a free nation was in vain and if you do not believe in the road map that God has put forth for us to follow as a nation then i surely will pray for you and that is to all others that think we do not need pray or God in our lives. I am not forcing anyone to believe as i do but do not take away my rights as a christian as you have already done. Pray is school did not hurt the school or students or saying the pledge to our flag i would bet you that over 50% of the people and even students today can not even say the pledge to the flag and i for one that is a veteran of this great nation is heart torn because of the lack of respect our nation has for itself WAKE UP AMERICA AND TURN FROM YOU EVIL WAYS AND GOD WILL SURLY BLESS THIS NATION AGAIN
david
I respect your opinions and that is all your post is comprised of as it is totally devoid of any facts therefore I still conclude you are dead wrong and are driven by your biases and not reality.
Helen, All my children are grown now, So I called my children to see if their children had a teacher named Helen, And think’s to GOD they don’t,I was so releved, Because if you were as smart as you think you are, You would have tryed to read this crap, Your Hussein obama along with pelosi,reid,murthar, & franks, Just apart of the scoundrel’s,That is in the BIG HOUSE, But I guess you think GOD is for abortion,Or want’s your politician to help you die,Or just give you the cheap meds,You don’t have to believe me,Just READ! it for yourself, BE SMART, And not so DAMN ARROGANT, STOP WATCHING THE GOVERMENT OWN MEDIA,Because the MASS.-TENN, State run health-care has FELL,And why the goverment thugs will BE own a different health-care plan, Ask your great leader,You are no more than a puppet,And a failure as a teacher,So why don’t you look for yourself, Or are you scard you might learn something.I do pray to GOD for people like you, So maybe you will open your eye’s, And not alli.
Dickie, if Helen were smart, why would she have tried to read ‘crap’? (Tried is spelled with an “i”.)
I agree that America has changed; however, if we didn’t have the Federal Government intervening in major things, Afro-Americans would still be slaves, schools would still be segregated, job opportunity wouldn’t prevail, Sonia wouldn’t have stood a chance of being a Supreme Court Judge, Barack O’Bama would haave been assassinated while campaigning as the Conservatives Republicans still want him dead, and, there’s news media people like you that want him out of office. America has become a hated nation across the world due to the Bush Administration and their policies and the Republican Party is a party of professionnal Klu Klux Klansmen. This country was left in a horrible financial status and because the president hasn’t been able to give White America instant jobs that were taken by the Republican Party, there’s hatred for him. We went to war and took millions of dollars to support Bush’s war that should have been used to support Americans at home. Saddam was a tyrant, but, he kept Iran under control. We now have to worry about Iran becoming a Nuclear Terrorist Country and America being its prime target. We support Israel, and well we should, but, Israel is a terror over in the Middle East and America supports everything it does, even when they have been wrong for killing children and elders just as the terrorists have been wrong for killing Israel’s children and elders. Let’s be fair and just when we speak of the Constitution and realize that we haven’t adhered to it either or we wouldn’t have had the trouble we have in our states. The southern states are still hate mongers as a whole against everyone that’s not White and some of the mid-west are just as bad. We still have a long ways to go and I’m glad that the Federal Government has reign over the states or everyone but the white Male and his female would be in a slave’s position. I’m a Christian, a born-again Christian and I see the real truth. We are a nation that kills their unborn infants, gives drugs to the ones we consider undesirable to watch them kill off each other so we can sit back and be judgmental. Sundays are the most segregated day of the week. We all go our individual churches and most of the so called Conservative Religions assent to the implications of a God, but, don’t really believe he’s a God for all of mankind. We have the most violent, sexually exploited shows on television, and our news media thrives on the violence that overcomes America. We have all kinds of religions in this country based on religious freeedom, with Christianity being constantly attacked and all other forms being considered okay or right. We don’t follow the concept of Innocent until proven guilty; we’re just the opposite, guilty until we can find a good mouth-piece that can lie for us even if we’re guilty. We are a part of Bush Senior’s New World Order and we didn’t have any choice in getting involved as it was thrust upon us. The bad thing is that most Americans as a whole hve no real idea of what that is including myself. We try to live off our past reputation as a world leader. If you know anything about the Bible, you will find that America is probably destroyed in the Book of Revelation becuse she is described as the whore who sits between two waters. It hurts me to see and know all of these horrible things about this country as God made this country a country of multiple colors to show the rest of the world that all of his mankind can and are living together as brothers. We are all of the Human Race and of one blood in Christ Jesus, but, you better believe there’s an element of Conservatives that will kill rather than have that as being a part of them. If Jesus were to come to this earth today, He would be killed again by this group as they believe in traditions and not reality. Traditions have their place but Godliness is more important. Tell the Racial Hatreds that; especially FOX CABLE NEWS that espuses hatred all day every day. Their commentators are Evil Personified.
Wow, Dolores, it’s difficult to know where to begin responding to your rant. I don’t know where you get your information, but you need to broaden your education. You are so misguided it seems you must spend all day watching CNN. I will address this mischaracterization: I’m 50 years old and have lived in Alabama all my life. We are not the racist hate-mongers you describe. Were there race problems and segregation and church bombings in the 60s? Absolutely. It was a dark time in our history. However, I and people my age and younger were young children or not even yet born when those things happened. We had nothing to do with it. Those who did are now dead or totally irrelevant. We live in communities with people of all colors. People of color attend our churches, some of our neighbors are interracial couples. We work with and for people of all nationalities. The south isn’t any different from the rest of America (except for long lingering stereotypes that define those who believe them as bigots against southerners because they have no basis in fact). We love God, love our families, love, respect and help our neighbors. And we love our country. However, some of us understand what the Constitution says and why and how it was written and believe the government should follow it. When we see it overreach we get angry and we support candidates who say they want to reign it in. I’d love for you to come to Alabama and see what a beautiful place it is, and how strangers on the street greet you with a smile and say “Hi, how’s it going.” How men open doors and stand aside for women. How our children say yes sir and yes ma’am. After you’ve visited I think you’d have a little different idea about the South. In the interest of brevity I’ll save a response to the rest of your nonsense for another day.
Well as a teacher YOU should been keeping up with all the other wrons that have been going on in USA for the last 90 yrs as well.Of Course they dont show all that we have to get on the internet and Turn their Paid for Media off,We all need to be Screamming Conspiracy & Treason!When a President gives our country over to any other political agenda such as socialist,fascist,communist,then to me that is an act of Treason which I can see that several have over the past 90 years and been getting away with it because of the Ones behind the scenes,that pull these little puppets strings! They are in fact the MONEY CHANGERS of the World ,Like the whold list of them in the presidents cabinet all in the Bilderberg Group,The Trilateral Commision,the CFR,All with the Federal Reserves ,World banking Cartel and the Central Bank,United Nations members (not all ) They have this One World Goverment & Currency Plan they want to put in,Which means their will be no more Constitution of the UNITED STATES !They are trying to make ammendments to the Tenth ammendment also so the states cann’t refuse !So all that are Involved in this PLOT to Overthrow our goverment by controling our Economy and Bankrupting it,and putting all these ILLEGAL LAWS & ACTS in need to be Tried for TREASON TO AMERICA ! Which is ALL of us that are still Defending our Constitution ! We all Pledged alegence to that Flag and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands !We didn’t make any Pledges to the Goverment that We CREATED !Well except in the constitution where we LIMIT their ability to Expand & break laws !So Yes we all do need to UNITE AND DO IT in a PEACABLE matter as we can,Howeveer when it comes down to it Remember what OUR country has always done WE FIGHT till the Death to defend it !Don’t let these RICH SNOBS scare us ! they are really all a bunch of panzies hiding in the shadows and hopeing they can use their Puppets to sway us along with their PAID FOR MEDIA,using Brainwashing and doing it with using our Reptilian brain function !So always stay away from Media that is behind these people and not for the PUBLIC !For Real Americans! Because they are all part of the ONE WORLD GOVERMENT PLAN ! YELL LOUD AND PROUD ! tell every one and get emails to our Congress Demand Action or we the PEOPLE WILL March on the Front lawn and FIRE the Bunch of them and all that are in this TREASON & Conspiring to KILL & STEAL from the Whole World ! TRUTH JUSTICE AND THE AMERICAN WAY .TOGETHER WE STAND UNITED AGAINST all that Tread on our RIGHTS & Constitution !Both Foriegn & domestic !I swore and Oath as a Marine & I will stand behind it till My death !They aren’t standing behind the same Oath the Swore to when taking office !!! They have begun to think they are GODS & we are their SERVANTS !RICH SNOBS is all they really are and their numbers are few Compared to OURS !they just want US to think they can make us do it their way or they will IMPLODE our Economy !Well They cann’t If they are in PRISONS ! SO DEMAND JUSTICE & Stiffer penalities for TREASON !For Conspiracy & Theif of Our Economy !Our Gold & Silver !Demand they Seize the Records of the Federal Reserve Bank !Find those trillions and Who got the Payoffs & then Lock them all up !!!!!
“I am FOR ALL AMERICANS. I AM A CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRAT. THE REPUBLICANS ARE A BUNCH OF HYPORCRITES..”
Dear Helen, are you trying to say that only Republicans are hypocrites? It seems to me that the Democrats should not throw stones when they live in glass houses. The sitting Democratic Congress are some of the biggest hypocrites I have ever heard in my 57 years of life. That is not to say that the Republicans are any better. They all need to stop the spin cycles and listen to what the people want. I don’t know who will be in control of Congress when elections come around, but I do know that the Democrats are really messing up right now and “We the People” are angry. We all have had enough of the dual hypocrisies. The change we expected is not a bunch of self serving hypocrites that are using of constitution for toilet paper. Nor did we expect the change to include socialism as a way of life. All Americans must get off their duffs and take back the control before it is too late for us all. Absolute power corrupts absolutely!
How is it that they all know how many illegals are here but there isn’t any problem with the border. lets round them up and make them build the fence. if they know how many mexicans crossed then i would really like to know how many hamas / yemens/ pakastanies/ chineese /north koreans /afganies /iragies you get the picture all of his broes have been crossing every day but nothing is being said about the sleeper cells there the real problem its only a matter of national security and they refuse to reconize it for what reason maybe they need another attack on US soil so they can take more of your rights away all that is needed to declare marshal law is an attack again and congress will be dimissed for a period of six months and barry becomes a dictator and makes all the rules that he cant pass now
If the teacher who is a conservative democrat would please read the platform of the democratic party, she would quickly realize there is no such thing as a conservative, christian democrat. It goes against everything in our Constitution, including life, liberty and ownership of property (pursuit of happiness). Wake up teachers and get out of the NEA – you’re being brain-washed.
Why is there no such thing, because you say so? And anyone who dares to profess Christ and doesn’t walk in lock step with you must be wrong because you have a lock on the faith?
Here’s a little lesson for you Marg, there are many Christian Democrats, some conservative. Their beliefs come right from the Bible, the inspired word of God, and is in line with our founding documents or the corrected versions of those documents.
Racial Justice
• Christianity requires us to strive to end discrimination and ensure that all races enjoy an equal opportunity to make the most of their God-given potential.
• Culture powerfully shapes who we are. Christ calls us to value one another’s differences, not just tolerate them.
• Each generation of Americans has been transformed by the contributions made by immigrants. A Christian immigration policy should honor those contributions while affirming our common humanity.
Economic Justice
• The budget is a moral document. It defines the set of values that govern us as a nation.
• Christ calls all nations to promote the common good by giving a hand-up to those who are in need. Indeed, all nations will ultimately be judged on how they treat the most vulnerable members of society (Matthew 25:31-45).
• A Christian worldview calls us to put the lowly first and humble the mighty.
Creation Care
• We are called, as Christians, to be faithful stewards of God’s creation — the land, the air, the water, the atmosphere, and the other creatures with which we inhabit the earth.
• Global warming uniquely threatens God’s creation and, indeed, life itself. There can be no excuse for delay; the time for action is now.
• Our government’s lack of action has contributed not only to the degradation of God’s creation, but also to our dependence on Middle East oil, the decline of local and family farming, and the exacerbation of poverty.
Religion and the Law
• The Constitution’s first amendment requires freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. Our government must neither silence nor coerce religious expression.
• Keeping the government out of organized religion is meant to strengthen the practice of religion, not weaken it.
• Jesus recognized the distinction between religion and government when he said, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.” (Mark 12:13-17; Matthew 22:15-22 and Luke 20:20-26)
Family and Culture
• Strong families require a society that looks after the common good and promotes economic opportunity instead of leaving families to fend for themselves.
• Almost everyone agrees on the need for reducing the number of abortions, including most of those who believe abortion should be legal. Reduction and prevention should be the focus of our nation’s abortion policy.
• Homosexuality is and will remain a controversial subject in the Christian community. But gays should not be scapegoats for the numerous serious threats that American families and children face.
War & Peace
• Christianity calls nations to work together to promote the common good throughout the world.
• Christians must take seriously Jesus’ call to love one another, including the stranger and even our enemies. This means that military force should only be used as a last resort to defend ourselves or the human rights of others.
• Americans who want to be part of God’s “city on a hill” (Matthew 5:14) must demand that our nation restore its moral standing in the world.
• The war in Iraq fails all of the above tests: nations aren’t working together, force wasn’t a last resort, and the U.S. has lost its moral standing in the world.
FaithfulDemocrats.Com.
Man-Made Global Warming is nothing more than a liberal fabrication to enable further growth of Big Government. There are so many books out there that refute the so-called science of Global Warming. You need to get educated on that subject instead of buying into the liberal propaganda.
In the late 70s, early 80s the liberals were coming up with all sort of schemes to save us from the energy crisis (caused by government regulation). They were pushing Unsightly Wind Generators, alternative fuels such as ethanol, and other uneconomical schemes. Of course, these uneconomical approaches weren’t adopted in a free market environment. So, I believe they jumped on the Global Warming bandwagon to force their alternative energy ideas on an unwilling public.
Al Gore, one of the prime movers of the Global Warming, stands to get rich from his alternative energy investments if Cap and Trade is passed.
Thank you! Thanks for your great effort of showing us what Christ actually stood for and in which senses Christianity is equally Democratic and Republican.
The great truths uttered by Christ have become so distorted and perverted by the “modern” transators and interpreters, better know as the “clergy”, that they have largely succeeded in pulling us down into the the same darkness and ignorance they find themselves in.
Thanks again for reminding us of the eternal values and principles taught us ONLY BY CHRIST’S WORDS THEMSELVES not those confused “modern thinking” people who apparently believe Christ’s Wisdom can be got through their heads only but all too often forget about their hearts.
Right on brother about global warming…or as they like to call it…climate change. Just a money and power grab. Just like everything else in DC.
Right on ! Plus the HUGE Chemical Companies & Liquor companies along with Tobacco companies & others back the Laws to make Hemp Illegal in the USA when it was Better than all the stuff they sell ! Hemp is one of the best crops any country can produce.It gives Better fiber,and 4 times more Pulp than wood or cotton,Yet by making it Illegal they stopped American Farmers & killed off a lot of Jobs & Americas Future !Then the chemicals they use to make pulp and to grow cotton are all BAD ! which they in turn dump in our water supply !They cut down Millions of trees that we need for our world!Polute our air with More Carbon from the Gas & Diesel products that are also full of poisons !Which in the Mean time WE are made to pay tax to support this FALSE FLAG !War on drugs,which is A FRAUD !Look at it and See Who Profits Most ? Has it worked with the 18 Billion a year they put into it of OUR Tax Money? NO !!! Do they ever catch the real People behind the Drugs comming into the USA The Drug Cartel??NO Then they are building these Huge Prisons and giving the little guy More time so the Big Companies can make more off the inprisonment & slavery of them!Who PEOFITS MOST?
If you look at the Democrat’s platform, you will clearly see that they support a so-called “woman’s right to choose” abortion. If you are a Christian, you will recall many scripture verses that make it clear God is pro-life, including “Thou shalt not kill” as one of the 10 Commandments.
Someone! EVERYONE!! BLAH! BLAH! BLAH! Stop bickering about what is and isn’t! Conquer and divide has been used by these same forces for centuries while
we the people send off our brave sons and daughters to slaughter only make these same one to two percent of the population richer.Take THE FED! Print real federal money! Regulate banking and Wall Street!Outlaw lobbying politicians!Start looking
for other points of view as opposed to the half truths, distortions and outright lies
that are Spun in the dailies and TV. FIGHT FOR AMERICA before it is gone and
only remembered as “The American Dream “
Michelle says:
August 10, 2009 at 11:21 am
The original language the bible was written in reads in translation as “Thou shalt not murder” some translations today you the word kill but this distorts its real meaning. Murder is the ultimate expression of hatred and has to be present in killing to be in violation of this commandment. There are justifiable reasons to kill and we also have many man made laws that do not make it a crime in this country, self defense, soldiers in war etc. This could be true in some abortions as well. Democrats in their platform support a woman’s right to choose but that is not the same as advocating abortion. We feel God should deal with this complicated issue as it deals with two people one of whom is still a part of the other and dependent on it’s mother for life and because of this complexity we feel man is not equipped to determine if it is murder or justifiable killing and therefore best left up to God to determine. besides making a man made law only gives man the right to punish those they perceive as murders and does not prevent it form happening. The supreme court weather you like it or not has for reasons of privacy says the constitution also does not prohibit it or in any way deals with it per sae but it is the prerogative of the woman.
Very Clever.
Jesus also said to give unto Ceaser, …. and give unto your father….
A very Specific reference to keep separate politics and faith. Faith should drive a persons core belief system. But, an illegal alien is an illegal alien. The Church however, should care for him.
Be very careful.
Foolpatrol,
You gave your agenda away with “…and is in line with our founding documents or the corrected versions of those documents. “ Who did the correcting, Marx? Or Lenin? Or Obama?
Foolpatrol,
You have said a lot that is correct, but your interpretation is in most cases wrong. When the government takes your property, you no longer have the capability to be charitable.
The dependence on middle eastern oil was not caused by actions other than those of the Democrat Environmentalist who prevented us from using our own oil.
You are correct on the interpretation of the First Amendment, but you fail miserably on the war in Iraq. We came to the assistance of teh Kuwaitis in regaining their country for them and signed a cease fire in which Saddam Hussein agreed to unfettered inspection of Iraq in a search for weapons of mass destruction. When Saddam Hussein terminated the inspections, he voided the cease fire and justified restarting the fighting. We tried for years, The Bill Clinton years, without result. Had Saddam Hussein not violated his own agreement for a cease fire, there would have been no resumption.
Sounds like a good story except inspectors were actually in Iraq before we starting bombing if memory serves me. Yes Saadam did chase them out a few times but he also let them back in and said repeatedly he di not have any weapons of mass destruction. GW on the hand had plenty.
I believe the 1st amendment reads: Congress shall make NO LAW regarding the establishment of religion……..This means neither pro or con…Although from context it does appear that America was founded as a christian nation. The commonly held belief that there is a separation of church and state is found nowhere in the document.
Why is it when most people quote the 1st amendment they only use the first part? The second part is just as important if not more so then the first. The 1st amendment read Congress shall make NO LAW respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise there of; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The first part address the Government forming a National Government run religion and therefore being able to control the pubic as they did in Europe.
The second part seams to mean that no laws can be made to stop the free exercise of religion.
It does not say that you can’t have religious signs, symbols, and prays in public places or Government buildings.
Your post was very good. I am a retired history teacher 78 yrs who taught the Declaration of Independence to my 7th graders and the Constitution to my 8th graders. That was in the late 50′s and early 60′s. So many Americans know NOTHING and DON’T try to find out. It
is VERY SAD! Please, any of those who post messages’ read the Constitution that is so generously posted and REFRAIN FROM SCURRILOUS
WORDS TO OTHERS! If you are indeed Christian, remember that Christ gave his life for the salvation of EVERY soul SO YOU ARE SINING when
you are unkind to ANYONE whether you agree or not!
I have ever thought religion a concern purely between our God and our consciences, for which we were accountable to Him, and not to the priests.” –Thomas Jefferson to Mrs. M. Harrison Smith, 1816. ME 15:60
“Our Constitution… has not left the religion of its citizens under the power of its public functionaries, were it possible that any of these should consider a conquest over the consciences of men either attainable or applicable to any desirable purpose.” –Thomas Jefferson: Reply to New London Methodists, 1809. ME 16:332
“In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.” –Thomas Jefferson to Horatio G. Spafford, 1814. ME 14:119
“[When] the [Virginia] bill for establishing religious freedom… was finally passed,… a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word “Jesus Christ,” so that it should read “a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion.” The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination.” –Thomas Jefferson: Autobiography, 1821. ME 1:67
Liberal BS at it’s best! What a litany of pure poop.
Creation Care, “We are called, as Christians, to be stewards of God’s creation — the land, the air, the water, the atmosphere and the other creatures with which we inhabit the earth.” If your “stewardship” includes the unborn babies slaughtered each year just leave me a shovel and a pair of hip waders.
Or am I confusing that with your Democratic hypocritical hype under the heading of Family and Culture:
“Almost everyone agrees for the need of reducing the number of abortions.”
Which is it you two talking moron? No wonder you didn’t want to give your name. I think it’s Barrack Hussein Obama.
You can make abortion illegal, but you won’t stop it. We made murder in general illegal yet people all over the US are murdered every day. We made certain drugs illegal but we still have people taking and selling them. We made steeling illegal but a lot of people get a lot of money by steeling from us. (Look at Madeoff) If you want to stop abortion you can’t simply make it illegal. Those that want it will get it, those that provide it will make a fourtune by providing it illegally. Look ho much a thug drug dealer can make selling cocain and pot. Think how much a skilled doctor will be able to make once you outlaw abortion.
If you want to stop it you first must find out why people are getting abortions. Dr Tiller performed over 60,000 abortions. That’s alot! But why did so many women choose to do that? Who were they, what was there reason? These are questions you have to ask. Then once you find out the answers to these questions you have to educate the ladies to make sure they don’t get pregnant in the first place. The women have to be responsible because it is their body that everything takes place in and generally men just want to get their pecker wet.
So you can’t just stand there and shout out STOP ABORTION. You got to find out the reasons behind it. You anti abortion people are lazy. You want to just stand around and hold your signs or let someone kill the abortion doctor for you, but you don’t really want to take steps to actually stop it. You’re lazy and don’t really want to get involved. Yes if you get involved you might actually have to talk to someone evil that wants to have an abortion or someone that already had one.
I do have a question. If Dr. Tiller did over 60,000 abortions, that means that there were over 60,000 unwanted children. If the mother didn’t want that child, who would pay for it if it was born? Who would pay to feed it, clothe it and send it to school. Now multiply that by 60,000. That’s a lot of Money! Who would end up paying the bill? I don’t want to hear about foster homes and such because those my friends are nothing but socialism. and you are all set against that. Public money being spent to take care of an unwanted kid. Even if the mother keeps the kid but ends up on wellfare, the state is flipping the bill. But you all want to do away with social programs like wellfare, medicare, food stamps, and everything else that will keep that baby alive. So unless you are willing to adopt all those unwanted children and not take any government money for them, you better stop and think. Because on the one hand you say stop abortion, and on the other you say stop socialist programs that will take care of that child if it is unwanted.
Of course there is another option for the mother, she can always just toss the kid in a dumpster somewhere, problem solved. No kid, no abortion, no problem.
Think about it.
This is to Oscar Goldman……Oscar who are you?? Are you a govenment spy? Why is it we can not reply back to you? OSCAR? come on tell us who you are..DeBra
debra
Feeling a little paronoid there? Oscar Goldman is a actually President Obama spying on what you crazy bloggers write and laughing all the time about how warped you all are. LOL
UNBELIEVABLE!!!
Foolpatrol,
You sure do like to put your own interpretation as to what Christians are supposed to do for all who need our help. But God never said that people are required constantly to feed, cloth and maintain all who are poor! God requires that we are responsible for our own needs. When Adam and Eve were removed from the garden of Eden, God said that they must earn their way by the sweat of their brow. Now, I ask you, how much sweat is being required of the government supported poor who constantly abuse the privilege of welfare. Also, how many children are being born just so that they can receive medicaid support until they are grown. Is this the just and appropriate way to use a large amount of tax payer money. If you think this is right, then you are bigger fool the most.
Defend the poor and the fatherless, do justice to the afflicted and the needy. PSALM 82:3. What you do for the least of them you do unto me. The poor you will have with you ALWAYS!
I don’t see any cut off points, do you? And of course I’m not referring to slackers but people disadvantaged due to circumtsances beyond their control.
The purpose of Medicaid is basic medical coverage only. If you believe that people are having children to take them a doctor or hospital, I suggest that you consider seeing a doctor. Or, put the Meth pipe down!
Right On The bible says if you don’t work you don’t eat!
It did but they are not Jesus’s words
Foolproof…..I bet you like to talk to yourself because you think you are so smart. I think they call it delusions of granduer.
Foolpatrol, I took exception to your “The Constitution’s first amendment requires freedom of religion, not freedom from religion,” (the first part of your first entry under “Religion and the Law”). The First Amendment starts with “Congress shall make no law respecting…religion,” its sole purpose is to preclude federal law on the subject. That is, it does not require ‘freedom of religion,’ if it did, Congress would be constitutionally bound to make law defining what ‘freedom of religion’ means, and enforce that within the states – the precise thing the amendment was designed to prevent.
FOOLPATROL it is so refreshing to know that you read the bible and care to quote from it i have just one problem , who annointed you to say what the bible says and does not say i think you may need to read the whole book and not just parts you want in order to justfy your point of view bcause there is a warth side of God he did tell the nation of Isral what to do about it’s enemies sometimes they obey the Lord and other times they did not and suffered for it so it will be with any nation that does not follow and obey the Lord an doh there is not just 10 commandments as people think there are but much more and what God said he would destroy back then still applies today
Are your suggesting he post the whole bible here??, how do you know he has not read it all and even maybe more than once and then picked the applicable passages to make his point here relevant. Can you understand this??????
Thank you. Well said.
Margie
Please post the Democratic platform here for all of to read. I would like to read it, but to be honest I’m too lazy to look it up myself. So since you know where to find it and have read it already please be so kind as to copy and paste it into a blog so that I and other can read it.
Thank you.
To make it easier:
http://www.democrats.org/a/party/platform.html
Those who want a ‘living’ Constitution hate freedom. Recognize them. Call them progressives, fascists, communists or socialists. Some cloak themselves in religion. They have many names. All of them worship evil and power.
A ‘living’ Constitution will not endure because it has been programmed by evil people to enslave its citizens. A ‘living’ Constitution has no moral compass.
The Constitution was not created by people who achieved ‘perfection.’ Those Founding Fathers gave us the best government the modern world has ever known. Slowly, America turned its back on the Constitution.
America let its ‘leaders’ re-interpret the Constitution. As a result, America suffers from a moral disease that is older than recorded history. Haven’t we suffered enough at the hands of evil people? America, you will give your children and their children freedom or slavery. Choose. You can make that decision only once.
The founding fathers fought against a living constitution. What a living constitution is, is a document that can mean what ever the current power holder wants it to mean to fit what ever they wish to do. Is that not what King George was doing to the Magna Carta [constitution of the British Empire]?
Susan Reply: August 10th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Then why then did they put in an article with the means to amend it so we could change it when needed and we have done so 27 times since the founding fathers ratified the original. It seem to me if you can change it, it cannot be dead and therefore must be alive, the last amendment was in 1992, an amendment either adds to , subtracts from or changes what the original was, Twenty seven times this has happened and none of these changes where done by the founding fathers. The current constitution is no longer a product completely done by our founding fathers and it was never their intent that it should be. If the meaning of the constitution can be changed then I think it can safely be said it is alive and kicking and I am not sure you know what you mean when you say it is not a living constitution.
They recognized that they were human and would not be able to predict the future and that they could err. But they hedged very closely the ability to change it. To change it the country needs: 1. to propose the need, 2. to pass it through congress, and 3. to ratify it needs the approval of a super majority of the sovereign states to approve it. This is a lengthy and cumbersome process that builds in a cooling off period to assess the real need for a change. You’ll notice that the majority of the amendments passed prior to the states numbering 30.
No, Smiley, the first ten (bill of rights) were enacted within 4 years of the Constitution. So, I think we could safely say that the first ten amendments were done by our “founding fathers”.
To compare the amendments to a “living document” which generally denotes the concept of “Judicial Activism” is a stretch. It is quite a long process to add an amendment to the constitution, and it is done by elected officials, not appointed officials. It requires 2/3 of each the house and the senate, and 3/4 of the states to ratify each amendment.
DaveH says:
August 11, 2009 at 4:38 pm
No, Davy
It was the original constitution that was done by the constitutional congress and they are referred to as the founding fathers and the first ten amendments was done pursuant to Article 4 of the constitution then in law and did not have any judges involved in the process. Just how the hell do you have judicial activism without any judges. as you said it was by elected officials and not judges. “Living document” simply means it can be changed when change is deemed to be needed and this has been done 27 times the last being in 1992 a hell of long cry from the founding father and they intended it to be anything else as they were a aware that changing circumstances and times may require change and they knew full well needed changes could come along that they could not at their time envision, your post convicts you of being quite ignorant if you look at the real facts.
Excellent post SC (as usual).
s.c.
Does s.c. mean your from South Carolina? Just wondering.
brother it slavery started at birth that slavery is debt
There is no such thing as a conservative democrat it is a contradiction in terms. We do not need a teachers union, we do not need unions. We need to impeach the idiot in the white house before he ruins this country. IMPEACH – IMPEACH – IMPEACH. BEFORE HE RUINS THIS COUNTRY.
AMEN!!!!!!!!
It’s hard to have the current president impeached with a Democratic majority in power….
I would like him gone, but we cant impeach him yet. The smart thing to do is to vote out all his cronies in 2010 and limit his power, then get rid of him and his left wing liberal pacifist appeasing constitution hating ilk in 2012.
Why do you think he deserves to be impeached?
Oscar…there you are. Who are you and where did you come from? You responded to something i wrote about Thomas Jefferson and welfare and you wrote a long note about Sarah Palin. I`m confused..please explain. I think you may be a spy for Obama and have infiltrated our computers??LOL DeBra
I dont. This is in reference to people keep saying impeach him, but he hasnt done any impeachable offenses. Thats what I meant.
It just hit me, I know why you all don’t trust Obama. The last President we had seemed OK in the begining but now we realize what his true aggenda was. (Mainly to kill Muslims and make his oil buddies extremely wealthy). So you are are thinking if he Bush could be so dishonest Obama must be too. Almost makes sense. Guilt by association.
Oscar..we don`t trust Obama because of the people he has surrounded himself with. Also he has said so many things in the past that now he is trying to denie. People like Ezeikal Emanuel,Cass sustern,Peter..I forgot his last name ,appointment of czars -a communnist,. He does not see himself as just the president of the US..he wants to be the leader of the world. For him to go to the middleeast and europe and say we are not a christian nation,call us arrogant. We should have seen the truth when we found out about Rev.wright…you can not sit in a church for 20yrs,listen to that hate and come a christian,not to mention a hatred of white people. Debra
I think you and your war for oil buddies missed the boat. I dont see Bush and Cheney in office anymore, and I never saw any money for oil. So going on you and your boys premises, I guess this means Barack and his ilk are conducting a war for oil. See how stupid this sounds. Actually, I would be all for taking their oil until all this is paid for, then let them resume control. I would find that to be fair, but someone, somewhere would condemn what ever admin, expecially the republicans, for conducting a war for oil. It never was about that, and you know it. If it was, we’d had the oil by now. And no, I for one do not trust him, because of too many associations with bad people, and not enough is known about the guy. And Ive still never heard any plans other than to print money around the clock and give it to companies that dont deserve it. Ive seen escalation of government and creation of more social agencies for us to pay for with tax dollars, and I dont like that. Sorry, I take care of myself, always have, always will, and I dont want the government to even attempt to take care of me, let alone useing my money to take care of others who refuse to grow up into adults and learn the responsibilities of life in taking care of them selves. If you continually give handouts, people will continually stand there with their hand out, and will never advance from where they are at. The government becomes their “crutch” to never get better, and thats a big problem. There are a lot, and I mean a lot of 20 to 30 year old able bodied guys out there, that have no motivation to work, when they are given government stipends every week. And I and other working people get to pay for it. I got a problem with that, as should every working American. So someone who wants to not only continue this enabling, but expand it, no, I dont trust them.
Debra,
Sound like you watch way too much Glenn Beck. You are as paranoid as he is. Rev Wright is an ass no doubt. But please tell me more about what Obama has lied about. Please. I want to see his quotes and proof to back it up. When did he say he wants to rule the world? I think you have him confussed with Dick Cheney.
Mr. Goldman, have you forgotten 9/11? We were not attacked by Venezuela or New Zealanders or any country, but by terrorists.
How do we know Obama lies? Check on what he said during the campaign and what he says now. Every time he opens his mouth, he says something that’s not true. He’s gone back on so many promises, why should we trust him? I don’t even listen to him anymore.
What has Obama lied about?
Don’t just me he lied, prove it to me. I want to see his quotes from his campaign and what he says now.
A perfect world would be free of Muslims? Is that also the case? Mr. Bush wanted to invade Iraq while he was still governor of Texas.
American Citizen
You are 100% correct with your statement above! We were not attacked on 9/11 by Venezuela or New Zealanders or any country, but by terrorists. That is correct. And President Bush did the right thing going after those terrorist in Afganistan. However Iraq did NOT attack us, and they had no connections to Bin Ladin. But that was the idea that we were told and we believed. Bush / Cheney wanted to invade Iraq so badly they made sure to make up intelligence to make their case. They did it quite well too. Dick Cheney is a very intelligent man. Thousands of Americans died or have life altering wounds because of his selfishness. Thousands more innocent Iraqi people died because of it.
Not all Muslim people are bad or evil. Most just want to live their life with there family and friends the same as you and I. And if you actually start to study Islam you will see that at it’s core it’s not much different than Christianity. They believe in the same God, and in Jesus. They just don’t accept Jesus as their savior. They believe that Jesus was a prophit. and their savior is yet to come just as we believe Jesus to return some day.
Or at least that’s how I understand it from my very, very limited research on it.
Bush, the idiot we should have impeached is gone. He is no longer subject to impeachment. We can still prosecute him, try him for treason and war crimes by a jury of his peers, convict and execute him! Let’s do it!
Careful there, Mr. Fool. Your intelligence level is showing…….and it’s not a pretty sight!
Neither is what he did in Irag and people actually died and hurt there because of him.
What good is impeachment….we did it to Clinton the dog and still didn’t get rid of him. May have been a higher power involved and saved us from that moron Algore.
Clinton had a little problem with his lower anatomy but he did balance the federal budget for several years. The economy in the mid to late ninties was excellent with full employment and a real chance to pay down debt. Then came GW Bush. Enormous deficits even in 04-07, which were decent years for the economy.
Yeah, Clinton lied about haveing sex in the oval office. Oh My! The Rebulicans at the time were just waiting to impeach him. But Bush lied about WMD in Iraq, Thousands of young Americans died, Thousands more wounded for life, and still Thousands more Iraqi people died. So many deaths because of a lie. Most of us believed it because at the time we had no reason to mistrust the President. But it was all made. No WMD were ever found in Iraq. We spent billions there on war and killing and few cared.
No we have a new President who wants to spend money on Americans and take care of our own and all you here is how he is destroying America. He’s a killer because he believes abortion should remain legal. But yet Bush sent thousands of young people to their death and no one thinks twice about it. Who is the real killer?
Fool, given your numerous comments on here, I’d have to guess you are apparently not wrapped too tight and probably not socially accepted among normal people. Convict and execute Bush?? Do you hear yourself?? Have all the pretty girls rejected you throughout life and you just don’t understand why they don’t like a “smart” stud like you? Reading your posts has painted a fairly clear picture of you.
And Norm, the Republican Congress balanced the budget in the Clinton years. I’ll agree that Bush didn’t help our economic situation at all with the nation building in Iraq, the prescription drug plan and the MASSIVE spending he did in violation of free market principles “in order to save the free market,” but let’s not pretend Clinton was economically responsible. He had a Republican Congress that kept him in check for about 6 years. Giving Clinton credit for the economy is like giving him credit for welfare reform, which he vetoed until the numbers stacked up to override his veto – so he signed the reform out of political expediency (aka: cowardice). He didn’t actually want to reform welfare; he wanted to expand it.
As for our “leaders,” I voted for Bush twice – what were the other options, Gore and Kerry?? Gore is nuts and Kerry is a prissy dufus. I’m disgusted with both parties right now, but more importantly I’m actually alarmed at what the radicals in the Democrat Party are trying to do. I agree healthcare needs some reforming, but have you read that healthcare bill??? That’s not about healthcare; it’s about control – and that is scary!! Same with cap and trade. There is no environmental emergency right now, and I doubt there will be one in my lifetime. If there’s such an emergency, why aren’t we blasting Russia, China, India and many other nations about their carbon footprints? Instead, Barry Suerto (aka: Barack Obama) is apologizing to the world for all of Americans faults while he runs this country into the ground so it can be “rebuilt” the way he and his ilk want it – just like Cuba.
And PLEASE add to Clinton NAFTA is the reason we do not have jobs in the US today!! They all went overseas where they pay employees .15cents hr as opposed to unions requiring $20.to$60. dollars an hr. Yep Ol Clinton just opened the door and said free trade is great fellas..don`t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. If he had delt with Bin Laden when he had the chance, and there was many times,then 9/11 would not have happened. He just did`nt have the stomach for it. So Bush had to deal with it. Billy also balanced the budget with huge Medicare cuts..which never got much news coverage,,kinda like now..Debra
NAFTA
North American Free Trade Act. Some jobs went to Mexico because of it. Just wait til you spring the north American Union and the Amero on us that GW Bush started to put in place.
Can’t we have to extradite him first from kuwait, where
he’s restarted Arbusto Oil, with Bin Ladins money..again!
ONCE again FOOLPATROL you show little knowledge of the things that America believes in and has kept us safe has the US soil been attacked since 9-11 know why because we are over there i am a veteran of the first gulf war and we should not have stopped then but kept going but because we are a nation of rules and want to follow th UN it has costed us dearly and to setthe record straight we DID find WMD”S in ’91 and was tracking them outside of Iraq when told by the UN to back off
Unbelievable. For you to say that, proves that you have the brain that God gave an icecube. What a sad sack. I guess you didnt like being safe. Idiot.
Norm Where did you get that from cnn news He hid the real debt he cut back our military he did not give veterans any better benefits the list goes on ,and on and on . all he did was rob from peter to pay paul
ditto for what Nan said. Clinton floated loads of debt so he would have money to spend during his presidency because it didn’t come due until he was out of office and he could blame the mess on his successor. Again, let’s not pretend Clinton was a bastion of fiscal discipline. He borrowed money and just gutted the very military that he loathed and dodged. Although he was pretty fond of the military when he used it to attack Iraq the day before his impeachment hearings began. Talk about a war crime!! Where was all the talk from the leftwing about war crimes on that abuse of power and illegal act of war?? And what about bombing Sudan on Aug. 20, 1998, just before and during Monica Lewinsky’s grand jury testimony?? If committing an act of war just to change the media headlines to save embarassment is not a war crime, then what is??? So again, let’s not re-write Clinton’s legacy on here. He was a disgrace … and he had more serious flaws than not being able to keep his pony in the barn!!
nan/eric
No Bush hid the real debt. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were mainly paid for by hidden money sources. He never vetoed a spending bill for the 6 years that the Republicans controlled Congress. He cut taxes during a time of war?? He supported an unfunded prescription drug bill for seniors. He also was at the helm when the economy almost collapsed. Now Limbaugh and the hate mongers are blaming everything on Obama and the Democrats for Bush’s mess.
Yes, I agree Norm,
If in 2 years things are bad we can blame Obama, But honestly the man hasn’t done much of anything yet. The stim was passed, Republicans say it isn’t working because the world didn’t change the next day, but to quote their hero, GW Bush, “It’s hard work” It’s not going to get fixed over night. The cash for clunkers is actually working, however if you pat attention to right wing media, especially Dick Moron, I mean Morris, it isn’t working. We are supporting Japan. Guess he doesn’t count all those hard working Americans making Japanese cars here in the US not to mention all the support staff at the dealers around the country. I guess Toyota only hires Japanese Citizens since Mr Morris says we are supporting Japan.
The whole thing is this. Republicans are mad because the not olny lost the White House they lost Congress. (That’s what happens when you’re old and washed up and want only to go to war). If Obama succeeds in getting things passed like health care and the economy bounces back and health care actually works and people find out there is no death pannel and they have more money in their pocket, Obama is going to be a hero. He will win reelection in 2012 and the Democrats will keep control of congress. The main goal here is to make sure Obama and the Democrat Contoled congress fail. They have to make things look bad. They need the economy to be bad, they need to keep healthcare from passing. This is the thoughts of the Republican party. They can’t win the elections based on their ideas, they don’t have any. All they know how to do is kill muslims. So they have to make Obama look bad.
It’s really quite sad because they are playing games with our lives. To them it’s just a game of which party controls the Government. They had a bone head President, and even wosre Vice President and rather than do something about it they all just became yes men. Now they are mad because they are paying the price. So it doesn’t matter what is best for the American people at all, it is how can we get control back. That is the bottom line. And as you see if you watch news other than Fox news, they will resort to any tatic they can to make you think Obama = bad.
Actually Norm, if your interested in facts, more people were working under Bush than under any president in history, including Clinton. The stock market rose higher under Bush than Clinton. Unemployment was lower under Bush than Clinton. Things didnt start going bad until his last year and a half, and you and I and business all know why. They knew the Democrats stood a good chance of winning, and that if they did, new larger tax bills were coming, as they always do during a democratic administration. I mean, Clinton did have the largest tax hikes ever during an administration you know. So business slowed down, holding on to cash for taxes, and the fears were confirmed when Obama won the election. Now it has gone to the worse ten fold, and it will continue that way until 2012, and thats just the way it is. I dont want it to, but it is what it is. Dont blame Bush. Blame change change change. And the Bush tax cuts are going to expire in 2010, and you know the democrats will kill them. Thats going to cost a lot more people to get laid off or terminated. Its all fact. Not opinion, not agenda, its all fact. I cannot change what was, and I cant change what the current admin is going to do, but they are an open playbook, and they will expire the tax cuts, and they will raise taxes no matter how much he gets on TV and says he wont. Bush 1 said that, and raised them, and it cost him re-election. Same thing here.
When you say the drug plan was unfunded, that’s technically not true. Medicare pays for most of it, we seniors the rest. I just got a bill for over $1,000 for 90 tiny pills I take because of breast cancer. I hit the donut hole after six months and have to pay the rest myself. The problem with the drug plan is the deal with the insurance companies. Instead of dealing with the pharmaceuticals directly and getting the drugs for a good deal, Congress just had to get the insurance industry involved. That makes the drug costs even higher because the middleman has to be paid. There may not have had to be a donut hole if Medicare dealt directly with the drug companies.
American Citizen
When I say unfunded I mean not funded by new monies specifically procurred for that function. This would be new taxes or reallocation of funds from existing programs (which would have to be cut or reduced). Bush only increased the burden on social security. This is understandable since he wanted to privatize ss. Privatization in England and Chile, incidently, have been disasters.
American Citizen,
You keep making the case for healthcare reform. The medicare bill that was passed by Republicans under George Bush was a bad bill because of the donut hole. It was pasted in the weeeeeee hours of the morning. They could not get support for the bill in Congress so the vote was actually postponed until they could twist enough arms to push it through.
The insurance companies are out to make a buck. That is their job, that is why they exist. The government is not out to make money but to provide a service. The government can operate at a loss and still do it’s service. The insurance companies can’t operate at a loss. That is why they are spend millions and millions of dollars on false advertising to get people like you scared and angry. Their bottom line is going to be affected if a government program is put into place. The insurance companies own many in Congress, mostly Republicans, but also some Demacrats, that is why with the medicare donut hole there was no deal struck between the drug companies and medicare. The insurance companies do way too of job at bribing Congress. Now, wouldn’t it be nice if you had some sort of coverage for that medication you take that is costing you $1,000 for 90 little pills? You are being cheated by the current system yet you try to defend it. It’s not right, you pay for coverage but yet you still have to pay for your medication. I feel for you.
Would you guys quit fighting about who created the debt? Our problem isn’t who created it, rather it is who can we elect to reduce it. While we are all fighting it is growing dramatically. We need to ignore the major media and research candidates on our own to find the ones who really want to reduce the size of government. That includes the election of both our president and the congressmen. And we need to look at acceptable 3rd parties. I’ve heard the media caution us many times that Congress wouldn’t be able to get anything done if there were more than 2 parties. And that would be a bad thing, why?
My choice as many of you know is the Libertarian Party:
http://www.libertarianparty.org/platform
This would only work Dave, if the libertarian party were thick enough to win house and senate seats also, because both the republicans and democrats would not play ball and make them look good, so now you would have 3 parties trying to screw the other party at the expense of the country. Only way it would work is if they landed enough seats to have the numbers to truly get things done.
Mark,
They will only become numerous enough if people start voting for them. Let me ask you something. Which way is really throwing away your vote?
1) You vote for a party which represents your core beliefs but does not get enough votes to win for a while (accumulation period).
2) You vote for a party which is the lesser of two evils and thus will never achieve what you’d like to see.
And screwing other parties isn’t what Libertarians are about. They just want Limited Government and the freedom of choice and personal responsibility that comes with Limited Government
They will never get enough seats if people don’t start voting for them. These things take time. And yes, it would be an uphill battle, because the media and the people in power don’t want to give that power up.
I don’t know what kind of work you do, but if you worked in any kind of groups during your life, you have probably seen how your manager tries to grow his group or division. That is the same way with the people in power, they like to keep growing their divisions. They won’t give that power up easily.
But if you love freedom and the prosperity that it brings like I do, then you will be up to the job.
Norm is a lefty. They pretty much make stuff up to make themselves feel good, since everytime they get a guy in office, bad things happen, so they have to tell lies to cover up their inadequacies.
Mark
You do have a unique prospective on the world.
For the record, March 2001 was the start of Bush recession 1 which ended 10 years of econimic growth. It lasted until 2003. 2004-07 were good years, but they were based on a a vibrant housing market. Unfortunatly, this was caused by artificially low interest rates, lower taxes, and banks lending on the speculation that homes woud increase in value forever by double diget rates. The bubble broke in July 2008. Hence Bush recession 2.
You righties love to replay the 2001 blame game. Having successfully perpetuated the myth that President Bush “inherited a recession” from Bill Clinton., your mouthpieces from Rush Limbaugh to Fred Barnes are now blaming Obama for the Bush 2 recession (literally within hours of his election). But as a quick glance at the data shows, across virtually every economic indicator from GDP, unemployment and consumer confidence to home prices, foreclosures and manufacturing output, ownership for this economic calamity squarely belongs to George W. Bush.
No Norm, you are in error. Actually, Bush had the highest amount of people ever working in this country at one time, the highest stock market numbers, and the lowest unemployment, and you and I know that all changed when the mere fear of the democrats winning the election came about, and when they won, the fears were confirmed and business came to a screeching halt, as everyone with any brain power at all, knows they are going to need the cash to pay the higher taxes. You and I both know the Bush tax cuts are ending in 2010 and the dems are going to kill them. This is a fact. Even though Barack said no new taxes, well, when they kill these tax breaks, new taxes are coming, and business’s are not dumb, they knew they were coming, so they stopped spending money and expanding and hiring, and that is the fact. Just look at see, this is the fact. More will lose their jobs and get laid off when the new tax bills are levied on these business’s, no doubt about it. All these things coming down are a result of the knowledge of the democrat tax monsters coming in to, and being in power, no ifs ands or butts about it. If you dont know that by now, your blind brother. To further prove my point, watch what happens to the economy in 2012, maybe a little before it, maybe even after the 2010 elections. If enough dems get voted out, business will pick up. When 2012 elections finish them off, business will once again get rolling and be expanding and growing, like it was when Bush was in office. It only slowed when everyone knew he was going out, and the dems were coming in. It happened, its a fact, and everyone knows it. You cant change history, just look at the facts. The numbers were excellent once he worked us out of Clinton recession. They dipped bad when he was leaving and everyone knew the democrat tax monsters were coming in. Thats a fact, and the numbers prove it. And they will again in 2012. Get over yourself, and pay attention to the facts.
Mark
Yes, as I’ve stated above, Bush had good years economically from 04-07. I personally did quite well in the stock market. I watch stocks very intently. Things started to waiver in the fall of 07. I know because I did a lot of stock trading and ultimately managed to avoid getting clobbered like many others in the months that followed. I also was working (just retired) for a large company, whose name you would recognize, and It wasn’t Obama that caused their stock to fall to less than half it’s peak value. It was falling sales, primarly in their automotive sector. The reason for low economic activity was the panic caused by the bank failures, and the domino collapse the rippled throughout the entire US and indeed the world. The collapse was due to the housing crisis. If the banks were properly regulated it would never have happened. People with no money, and in many cases no means of making money, were given loans based on rising home prices. But home prices were rising because people were given money to buy them and to trade up to larger ones. It was like a dog chasing his tail. Also the Federal reserve (Greenspan) kept interest rates too low for too long. It was liking adding gasoline to a fire. Your idea that business feared Obama is BS. Businesses are only concerned with the bottom line usually after the fact. You goverment haters give the private sector much more credit than they deserve. I worked for private companys for over 40 years and I know how they think.
Looking at history most presidents should have been impeached for the good of America. The handful that were not but assassinated were doing what was best for the majority of the population which went against the establishment or the minority of the population.
MAY GOD , CONTINUE TO BLESS AMERICA —
What is little known is the western states, when joining the United States, had all of their public lands taken away. The western states had their public lands confiscated into public FEDERAL lands.
The eastern states have their public lands. They have very little if any federal lands.
The western states do not have the same equal rights as the eastern states.
We lost our states rights when we joined the United States.
And now the Western lands are being quickly taken over by Mexico, without firing a shot, due to no border controls along California, Texas and Arizona, as we just let the illegals run in, and now they are mayors and councilman and pass laws to benefit more and more of it. Anyone been to Southern California lately? Walk down the street. English is a second language there. This is all due to liberal policies and political correctness.
Seems to me that GW Bush and John Mccain were big fans of making illegals legal. But maybe you can blame that on Obama too.
With all the relocated US companies in Mexico, soon we’ll see migration going south. In fact, it’s already started.
Norm….Obama has said he wants to make the ones that are here citizens with full benefits..and wants to do it within the years end. This is on film many times not just a news story. It`s him. DeBra….oh oh…..the single payor thing too.
Debra
That will never happen whether Obama wants it or not.
Relocated U.S. companies in Mexico, thank Bill Clinton for bringing NAFTA in to the fold. Another fact.
Mark
NAFTA’s path to congressional consideration has been a long and difficult one. First advanced as an idea by Ronald Reagan in his presidential campaign of 1980, and promoted in the mid-1980s by The Heritage Foundation, negotiations for a free trade zone among the U.S., Canada, and Mexico did not get underway until proposed by Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari in 1990. Although Salinas’s original proposal was for a bilateral U.S.-Mexican agreement, Canada soon requested participation to safeguard its gains from the 1988 U.S.-Canada Free Trade Agreement.
Following diplomatic negotiations between the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it.
Oh Bull
Our so-called educational system has failed us. Why focus on Science and Math when our children are not being taught their duties as citizens and as leaders of the free world.
Science and Math are great if we want to produce Scientists and Mathematicians and Engineers. But why do we need those occupations at all if we don’t have a solid foothold on the solid ground of knowing our duties and responsibilities as citiznes and fighting for those core principles every day.
Ever since the 60′s we have poured literally trillions out of our treasury in order to “properly educate” our children and what has been the result? A population and an entire country that is more divided and polarized than at any time since the civil war.
Taking our country back, means first and foremost taking our educational system back from the beaurocrats and so-called “educators” so that our children have at least a basic understanding of our history and know of all the blood and treasury that’s been sacrificed to keep our enemies FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC from destroying us from within by cunningly changing OUR NATION’S TRUE PRIORITIES!
I agree Richard. I think our forefathers would have crapped if they knew someday our educational system would be run by the government.
Did you go to private school?
Yes, I went to Catholic school for 9 years, until my parents could no longer afford it. It seems that it is against the separation of church and state for private schools to get government (read taxpayer) money. Yet during all those years that me and my siblings went to private schools, my parents were paying taxes so that other kids could go to public schools, as well as paying tuition so we could go to private school.
For Smilee who probably will call me a liar, as stated in my previous posts I am now an atheist.
Ummmmmmm, private school means private. No Government money. Duhhhhhhh. Are you upset that your school didn’t get government money? Kind of sounds that way. But if it did it would no longer be private.
Yes, I pay taxes too to send kids to school but I don’t have any kids of my own.
If we all had to pay for basic education there would be even more uneducated people here.
Nope, Im a victim of the public school system.
Mark,
Why do you think you’re a victim of the public school system? No body can force you to learn. If you were too lazy to want to learn that is your own fault. You can’t blame the school for you being stupid.
Richard,
Remember that according to the NEA, 2+2=5—The answer is wrong, but they feel good about themselves.
Richard
Scientists and Mathematicians and Engineers are what made America great, not trying to rule the world. Our educational system has problems, but good students seem to do just fine.
I think the main problem with our kids is their parents. Discipline and respect for people in authority must be taught in the home and enforced in the schools. The second problem is that not all men are created equal. All kids aren’t going to be great athletes nor are they going to be college material.
Norm, you hit the nail on the head. Discipline in home and school are now gone. In our day, when I did stupid or disrespectful stuff in school, I got paddled, and they would call home, and Id get it again when I got home. Now the schools cant discipline the students, and the students know it, and they run the teachers. You cant bother calling home, because the parents, well over half of them, they dont care and tell the school to mind their own business and stay out of their family business. Gangs are prevalent in schools, and kids are more worried about getting beat up, or who they are going to beat up, than they are about getting an education, and the school isnt allowed to discipline those who are interferring with the ones who would like to get an education. When discipline left the school and the family, things started escalating downhill.
I have read the Constitution may times and was educated in the 50s and early 60s when we learned what being an American meant. My children were educted in the public school and university systems. They know less about what our nation’s history and the founding fathers than I did when I was 12 years of age. America has dumbed our youth down on more than just math and science. I am a social and economic conservative and am appalled at what is going on in America today. The Democrats in Congress and the White House are power hungry and have no consideration for what the people want when over 40% of Americas say they are conservative and less than 30% say they are liberal. How did we get ourselves in such a mess? The truth is that the good people in America have allowed the evil people to brain wash them through proven propaganda techiques thus accepting what they say as truth. One thing I learned as a child is to seek truth and not accept any politic figure at his word. I have found that the degree of dishonesty for most politicans is over 80% and most Americans know that and elect such people of low integrity to be their leaders. Remember politicians thrive on power and at the federal level they consider themselves as having have absolute power when their party is in control, as the Democrats are today. As an independent I owe loyalty to no party. I ask myself what is best for the majority of Americans first. The cap and trade bill and any nation health plan are not godd for America unless we hate the Constitution. Since 1994 I have seen the DNC propaganda machine in action to demonize the Repubilcan Party. I am also ashamed that most American’s have allowed themselves to be lead down the liberal path to destruction the DNC has laid out for it. America must wake up to the truth and stop defending a party, but put America, not the Party, first!
Maybe you kida are just lazy and don’t want to learn. Or maybe you are the lazy one and don’t want to work with you kids. I don’t know because I don’t know you.
I went to public school is the 70′s and 80′s and although I may not best the smartest person I think the system did OK. Learning is something you have to want to do. No one can force a kid to learn. But the parents have to take a active role too. You can’t just sit back and do nothing and then blame the school system. I think now a days parents care more about the sports their kids play than what they really learn. I blame parents and not the schools.
Here, Oscar, I agree with you. I worked with our school system here in both the public and private schools. Because the parents of private school children had a vested interest, that is, having to pay for the child’s education out of their own pockets, the children buckled down and learned. Too many parents of children in the public school system don’t take an interest in what their children are learning. I never had a problem with a child in the private school, in fact, parents would call me about a concern I had with the child, such as maybe the child needed glasses. We sent a progress report home to the parents every six weeks. I still to this day receive thank you’s from parents because the child went from struggling to read to be an honor role student. I watched our local newspaper who report the honor rolls of each school every report card time. It made me so proud to see names of students I had tutored on the list. Sadly, I’ve been retired so long now that all the children I had have graduated and gone on to either college or the workplace. I neglected to say I worked with children from kindergarten through 4th grade. I thoroughly enjoyed my job and still miss it. Maybe if education were not so free, things would be different. Parents of public school children complain because they have to pay the book bill. They should have some vested interest in their children’s education.
Reply to fool patrol:
Because of the NRA people like you can make STUPID STATEMENTS!
The NRA is one of the few organizations upholding our constitutional right to bear arms to protect ourselves. Remember that when you find your self defenseless!!!!
That is exactly why I am a life member!
I you concerned about your 2nd Amendment right you should hook up senate bill sb2099 or HR45 if you haven’t yet done so. One step closer to confiscation, an unarmed man is a subject
Another organization supporting our 2nd Amendment rights is http://gunowners.org/
I think they are actually, dollar for dollar, a much more effective organization than the NRA.
For the liberal Obama-lover who will soon populate this board, think about this:
The Obama administration lent money to GM (taxpayer money) and then proceeded to use this as an excuse to take over GM, aid the unions, and screw the bondholders.
Do you for one moment think they won’t do this same thing to your personal health choices if they can get a national health care system passed? Government aid almost always comes attached with strings. Wake up and be wary!
Yep, and the government is so good at running things. Take a look at The U.S. Postal Service, Amtrak, Medicare, Medicaid and the NIH. Hell’s bells, a few years ago they got involved in a takeover of the famous (or infamous) Chicken Ranch in Nevada. Ran it completely into the ground. Pretty telling when you think about it. If the government cannot properly operate a whorehouse, how do you expect them to run banks, General Motors, or a health care program???
You’re so right. Everything the government touches will implodes. They get away with their dictatorial ways because they have legions of hypnotized believers who worship promises and hate those who demand results.
By the way, America’s true #1 whorehouse – Congress – is the only thing they run with consistency. That doesn’t mean they do it right. They learned long ago that forcing people to choose between two bad ideas gives them control.
What they want now is a nation of prostituted zombies who will rely on government for everything. That’s how they really define ‘choice.’ Anything that makes them happy they see as ‘good’ or ‘enlightened.’ Let them try to deny it, Magnon. Their track record is documented.
If everyone was honest we wouldn’t need Government regulations. But because their are and will always be dishonest people we need the government to make laws. They are doing what they were hired to do.
Its quite a problem to try and decide who is best to run the country government or free enterpeise when there are so many bad examples of both today. What we have today
is a hybrid of ex bankers or buisness men that take care of who lobbys the most cash
At least with free enterprise, we can choose to participate or not. With government, we have no choice.
dave
Should GM, Chrysler, IGA, BAC, etc. been allowed to fail? I despise the bailouts, not because of the necessary government actions, but for the arrogance and incompetence of the priviledged ruling class who failed at their obscenly paid jobs. These bastards are still collecting bonuses when they should be in prison with the rest of thr riff-raff in this country.
Norm,
Yes, they should have been allowed to fail. It is wrong that the companies who did the right things should have to continue to compete against the companies that did the wrong things. And it is very wrong that the taxpayers have to foot the bill for these same failures. I submit (although don’t advocate) that it would have been better to give the bailout money to the employees or depositors or whoever else suffered at the hands of these losers, than to give it to the companies. Let those companies go out of existence like the dead-wood they are.
DaveH
Letting them fail would have been my choice in theory. But in practice it would have destroyed everyone. Biting off your nose to spite your face is the height of stupitidy.
Norm,
“stupitidy”? That’s funny Norm. Maybe you should use spell-check on your name calling. You apparently didn’t read my comment that the bailout money could have been distributed amongst the victims of the poorly managed companies, instead of keeping the incompetent officers afloat.
Did you see the news today? The new Chevy Volt gets like 240 MPG! Yes Chevy, a GM product, If they were not bailed out this car might never get produced yet it will soon be on the market. Once the technology is out they will refine it and perect it, others will use it and we could change the whole world.
You drive the damn thing …I`m 6ft tall..and I can`t get my legs in there. DeBra
debra
How do you know if you can fit in it? They didn’t it get it on the market yet. What a knuckle head. You’re so busy watching Glenn Beck and Fox news you don’t pay attention to news. GM just annouced . They expect to get on the market next year. It looks to be the size of a chevy malibu. That not a tiny car.
The real news is GM and American company made a break through with battery technology. Things can only get better from there.
But you wanted GM to go under. Kind of makes you feel foolish. Or do you like spending $4 a gallon for gas?
It would never work for us as my husband has had strokes and needs a bigger car just to be able to get in it. We drive a 1996 Chrysler Concord. I love it. We get probably 20 miles a gallon in city driving and close to 28 highway. Those new cars just do not work for everybody.
American Citizen & debra
this is what is wrong with people like you. You are so afraid to change anything that you miss out. If our world was full of people like you we would still be in the stone age.
You have your mind made up about something as simple as a car. It’s too small, it won’t work for us. No kind of excitment about the technoligy involved or that it’s coming from an American company. No just negitive remarks. Why so bitter? Why so down on EVERYTHING. Life is not that bad. It’s exciting.
The Chevy Volt may not work for you. I probably wouldn’t get one either. But it’s a starting point. It won’t be perfect, it won’t solve all of our problems, but it’s a start.
You people are nothing but a joke!
http://www.chevrolet.com/pages/open/default/future/volt.do?seo=goo_|_2009_Chevy_Awareness_|_IMG_Chevy_Volt_Phase_2_Branded_|_Chevy_Volt_|_chevy_volt
Norm, you’re finally making sense. The government gave them all that money and still allowed them those obscene bonuses for driving a company into the ground. Now they want to give us a healthcare bill that is about everything but health care. Government rarely does anything well. I have a daughter who works in a nursing home and she said they can no longer afford to take Medicaid patients. The nursing home in which she works is a first class operation. Part of it is for assisted living and the other part for those who need nursing care. She works in the nursing care part. The biggest problem they have is keeping good workers. She is a nurse and is assistant administrator in that part of the building. She has to fill in whenever they are short of nurses or aides. The government plans never pay the full cost of what it takes to take care of a patient. There needs to be reform, but not the way Obama and Congress want to do it.
American Citizen
I have a relative in a nursing home also. It costs in excess of $100k/yr to keep her there. She is paying this out of her life savings. If she lives long enough, she too will be on government welfare – Medicaid. You and I pay for medicaid! What are the alternatives? We need more, not less, government intervention. Pouring money into a system that is run by highly paid private sector individuals, without any control of how it is spent, is ludicrous. The goverenment is large enough to control the cost of materials and medicines. In fact, if the homes were managed like VA hospitals, even the personnel costs could be managed. I go into this place and see waste and inefficiency everywhere.
We all need to join together to threaten the sponsers of the ‘State Media’ now in control in these United States. If we join together and tell them if they continue to sponser a media that is taking away our freedoms by telling half-truths, and lies. We will not buy their product. It is true that the ratings have fallen somewhat. People are starting to see that the truth is not in the News anymore. Our freedom is a very precious thing. We must act to save it!
There is no state media. They tried ti with Fox News for 8 years and see where that got us. Idiotic statements from Hannity and Beck, people who know what’s going on but tell you made up stories. That’s called lying.
Talk about misinformation. Wow. If it wasn’t for FoxNews we wouldn’t know about the “Tea Parties” and the Town Hall goings-on or many other such things that the major media doesn’t want the citizens to know about..
We would know about Cindy Sheehan and her very small group of war-protestors who got immense media coverage on the other networks.
Foxnews certainly doesn’t speak for me, but they are a lot more honest than the other propaganda-spewing News stations.
For instance, the Libertarian Party has been around for at least 30 years and how many of their representatives have been allowed to say their piece on the major media channels? They are afraid of Libertarians because Libertarians believe in free markets. That means that the owners of the major media would be more subject to upstart competitors who may knock them off their million-dollar a year jobs. It’s also why they are attacking FoxNews so hard. They are losing viewers and listeners to FoxNews because anyone who listens carefully to both soon figures out that FoxNews gives a more unbiased treatment of the news.
What is the attraction to this board for you liberal freedom-haters? Are you Acorn members, SEIU members, or some other associated gang whose goal is to disrupt communication amongst freedom-lovers?
Liberal Freedom Haters? Where do you people get that? The word “liberal” means free.
We all knew about the Tea Parties and the town hall meetings from other than Fox News. However we didn’t have the Fox News “Journalists” putting their spin on it. To say it wasn’t there means you weren’t watchig TV except for Fox News, so whatever was really happening was kept from, you. Or distorted. Also, we always hear about the Libertarian party and what they stand for. For one, we have Bill Maher and there are others. I see them all the time, where are you? Actually, the party that is really disciminated against is the Flat Earth party. Now, that’s a travesty. So many good ideas and obviously true. You’re going to tell me that the ground isn’t flat? You’re going to tell me it’s actually curved, well look buddy I can see that it’s flat so there.
Also the vampires, they don’t get any coverage in the news.
Freedom Haters? And what’s this fetish with ACORN? You people have the strangest obsessions. I come to this blog because I don’t need to have people tell me what to believe, I want to see what people are thinking. And what I see here is distortion, downright lies and demented racism and bigotry. That’s not freedom loving, that’s evil.
Bill Maher states that he is Libertarian, but anyone can say that. He is not anywhere near what the Libertarian Party stands for. If you see Libertarians all the time, then you would know that Bill Maher is not a Libertarian. Libertarians stand for Free Markets, Limited Government, and the concept that Government has no business protecting us from ourselves. You can go to http://www.libertarianparty.org and see for yourself what they stand for.
I’m talking about political liberals who stand for Big Government. Find me one who doesn’t support the Nanny State. Big Government doesn’t give freedom, Big Government takes freedom away.
ACORN is under investigation in 14 states for voter fraud. Gee, I guess I just have this fetish that votes should be honestly cast and counted.
The Liberal press have done nothing but fawn all over Obama, except sometimes when he does something so unpopular that they have no choice but to cover it in a negative fashion..
Dave
Libertarian my ass. Your a right wing Rush Limbaugh puppet.
Norm,
You don’t know me. I don’t even listen to Rush. I am a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. Translation: a Libertarian. We believe in the principles that were established by our forefathers which made this the great country that it became (and which we are now losing). That is individual responsibility and limited government and free markets.
Hannity and Beck lie? Oh not those guys. LOL
The state run media are those who support those in power no matter what they say or do. You don’t get the full truth from them. You have it backwards.
Folks… it is hard to read posts that have so many misspelled words and grammatical errors. If you could, please create your post in an application that can check your spelling and grammar.
Denny, how does one do that? Really. I agree with you, but don’t know how to go about it, or does it take too much time to explain? Thanks
Hey Don… depends a bit on whether you’re running a Mac or PC, but essentially all you would do is create your post in a word processing application such as Word. Once you have completed the post, find the spell-check tool in the application and select it to check your document. Most word processing applications will provide you with suggested spellings and grammatical corrections. Once you have completed the process, then select all of the text in your post and copy it to this site or wherever you are posting a comment and voila! you’ve done it! There are minor variations you will find between a Mac, a PC or a Linux machine. However, they are all quite similar and usually have a help index built in that will step you through the process of building a document, spell checking it as well as how to copy/paste text. Hope this helps?
Thanks. I can’t spell, but did marry a spelling bee champ. She won’t check anything in this crazy blog site.
Get a Mac, it shows you if you misspelled a word immediately. The spellcheck is automatic.
Look into the Constitution party. When all the other candidates are bad (too often), we vote for them.
“Government even in its best state is but a necessary evil…” – Thomas Paine
In this war between good and evil, “we the people” will no longer allow violations of the Constitution and the destruction of our individual freedom from tyrants.
The latest socialist scheme to seize power is health care. Health care is a personal responsibility as are the other necessities of life. The federal government has no legal authority under the Constitution to regulate or control health care. There are many ways to make the finest health care system in the world more cost effective and efficient, but the solution is not dictates from anti-American socialists.
This health care legislation is not law, but a crime. A tyranny to seize power and constructed in the dead of the night by the evil intentions of domestic and foreign enemies. The current crises to address are government generated ponzi schemes of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid with unfunded liabilities close to $100 trillion. We don’t need another government criminal operation to screw the people (or program to kill senior citizens), especially senior citizens like me that have paid into these programs all their lives.
Many in government have no allegiance to the Constitution, the people, their oath or America. We need to recognize that politicians disloyal to our Constitution and the people are criminals and not legitimate law makers. To restore our Constitutional Republic, an immediate CITIZEN’S RECALL of all socialists from government would be a logical next step.
So what you’re saying is that we should have no Government health care whatsoever. Hmmm… Ok. Let’s eliminate Medicare and Medicaid. Let’s eliminate Social Security. That would also eliminate two of the biggest drains on our National budget.
Let me ask you something: Have you had to go to the hospital? Have you ever had your insurance policy cancelled because of ‘too many draws on your policy.’ Have you had insurance denied because of “pre-existing conditions”? What about Americans that just can’t afford insurance for whatever reason? Can you afford $250/month or more for a hospitaization plan that barely pays for basic care, not even counting surgery or other extensive treatments?
Who’s the victim here? We all are, not just the poor; not just the wealthy; if we don’t have insurance, we can’t even get IN to the hospital unless it’s a life-or-death emergency! Try it sometime. Go to the hospital and try to check in. When they ask for your insurance card, tell them you don’t have one. Tell me how they respond.
But this article is about Constitutional limitations. Exactly how much of the Constitution is being followed today? I’ll tell you; exactly as much as you permit it to have. If a politician says something you want to support, even if its unconstitutional, you’ll support it. How do you think some of the things we see today ever happened in the first place?
How do we limit it? By challenging the constitutionality of a given law with the Supreme Court; that’s why we have it.
MOST PEOPLE WITHOUT INSURANCE IS A CHOICE THEY MAKE.
AS A RETIRED PEACEOFFICE I DEALT WITH A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY CANNOT AFFORD INSURANCE.. IT IS AMAZING THAT THEY CAN AFFORD $5-6 PACK CIGARETTES 2 OR THREE A DAY AND PLENTY OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES ALL THE TIME BUT CAN’T AFFORD INSURANCE. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY ARE TWO LAZY TO WORK FOR WHAT THEY NEED BUT DEPEND ON SOMEONE ELSE TO GIVE IT TO THEM.
David,
You said …”So what you’re saying is that we should have no Government health care whatsoever. Hmmm… Ok. Let’s eliminate Medicare and Medicaid. Let’s eliminate Social Security. That would also eliminate two of the biggest drains on our National budget.“
That’s a great idea and it should be implemented. All of these programs should be implemented by the states, if they wish to have them. The federal portion of Medicare, and Medicaid should be phased out as the programs are converted to state programs. Social Security should be means tested and the IRA programs should have contribution limits raised to not less than the FICA tax limits. Social Security payments should be made equal to minimum wage. No more, No less. By matching the FICA taxes and putting them into an IRA based on mutual funds most Americans who started working in their 20s would be able to retire below the age of 65 and live very well while their retirement funds continue to grow. You can work it out on a spreadsheet, if you will make conservative assumptions. The means test if set at minimum wage and reduced S.S. Payments by $1.00 for every $2.00 above minimum wage would eliminate most S.S. Payments.
Proper incorporation of cost reduction into insurance costs and tort reform would make insurance affordable even to those on an IRA.
” All of these programs should be implemented by the states, if they wish to have them. The federal portion of Medicare, and Medicaid should be phased out as the programs are converted to state programs. ”
So what you’re suggesting is that the States should go socialist.
The whole argument against this Federal Health Plan is that we’re turning this county into a Socialist Republic rather than a Democratic one. By offering any kind of Government Sponsored health or retirement plan, we are offering a Socialist solution to a problem that shouldn’t even exist.
Why was Medicare/Medicaid started? Because older people couldn’t afford to pay for their health care and medicines any more. Why was Social Security started? Because older people couldn’t afford to live any more. Most of this started with the original Depression in 1929-37. Some of this started in the ’50s and ’60s. You listen to the complaints now and all you hear is “Don’t mess with my Medicare!” Guess what? Medicare is a Federal insurance program.
My point is that the people at fault here are a combination of the insurance companies, the medical industry, and the litigious people who abuse both of the above. If hospital costs weren’t so high, our insurance costs wouldn’t be so high. If doctors weren’t sued almost into bankruptcy, they wouldn’t need litigation insurance to protect them, driving costs higher. It’s become a vicious circle that’s literally driving health care into bankruptcy.
Want to stop the cycle? Eliminate ALL fraudulent/frivolous litigation. Civil lawsuits are a drain on state and federal finances. Civil lawsuits saturate the courts that could be better used for criminal trials. Civil lawsuits embolden the recipients and copycats to find a way to steal more victims’ money.
Social Security and Medicare are funded by taxes. Don’t you read your paystub? We paid into SS all our working lives and now you want to take it away from us? it’s true, SS just lets you survive, you need some kind of supplement such as an investment program. Or a huge Savings Account. And Medicare is not free. We pay almost $500 a month in premiums for Part B, Supplement for what Medicare doesn’t pay and then may still have to pay something to the doctor and/or hospital if they don’t write it off.
Social Security wouldn’t be a big drain on us if it hadn’t been stolen and used for everything else under the sun. Social Security Trust Fund my butt.
Instead of fixing just what needs to be fixed in the insurance industry, the Feds want to take over the whole shebang.
Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security would not be in trouble if all were taken out of the General fund and truly put into a lockbox. Congress constantly raids these programs for their pet projects. it owes billions to Social Security.
Bureaucrats make the rules of the programs Congress puts through. That’s what’s so scary about them wanting to take over our Health Care System. We don’t have a health care problem, we have an insurance problem. We get the best health care in the world. It’s the unintended consequences of the program that are so scary. I truly believe those arrogant Congress persons from the President on down think “we the people” are stupid.
Yes, Medicare is a federal insurance program, emphasis on insurance. It is not free. Between my husband and myself, we pay over $500 a month in premiums for Part B, Supplement Insurance and the drug plan. Plus, Medicare only pays 80% of the charges, supplement pays 80% of what’s left.
Whatever Medicare does not approve, the supplement will not pay on either. So, either the doctors and hospitals write off the remainders or bill the patient.
It’s not free, folks. President Obama said today he would like for everyone to be on Medicare. That’s what you could expect.
You just hit the nail on the head. It’s the Insurance system that needs to be fixed, and President Obama is trying to fix it the best way he can; by creating a competitor who will insure the ‘uninsurable.’ He’s said many time that it’s not going to be free, but that the Government will insure those the insurance companies won’t insure, for whatever reason.
Of course, just like Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, if it can be abused, it will be abused.
American Citizen Reply: August 10th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Premium for part B is $96.40 or $192.80 for the two of you and must drug plans are about $30 unless you buy a plan that pays for the plan that covers the donut hole and deductible then it can go to about $150.00, people do not buy this unless they have serious health problems requiring a lot of medicine. So I do not know how you get to $500.00 a month and you say you also have supplement ins but do not say what it costs. There are 12 plans to pick from unless you have bought into an advantage plan but it does not sound if you have. I do know that private plans for the individual before 65 cost almost $600.00 a month because that is what it cost me until I qualified for Medicare, now Plan B, D and the supplement cost me $300.00 a month and I pay nothing except premiums, and 10% of prescriptions after the annual deductible. Be interested in knowing the full story of your coverages and their costs.
All three of my sons purchase their own private insurance…my oldest pays $74 a month and pays $20 for an office visit, $10 for prescriptions and they covered both of the surgeries his arm at 95%. I don’t have information about my middle sons insurance, but he does get discounts because he is in the Army Reserves. My youngest son pays $129 a month but his insurance includes dental and eye care. His co-pay is also $20 and his insurance has done an excellent job covering all the medical treatments he has received so far…he has a narrowing in the center of his esophagus and requires on going treatment for pain, bloodwork and supplements so help him keep his weight up.
There ARE about 5-7 million American’s who make too much money to qualify for any government programs and too little to afford private insurance. There are good ways to make sure these people are covered WITHOUT ruining the excellent care the rest of America receives and without bankrupting our country!
No argument. The problem is: how do we do it? We can’t rely on the Insurance companies to do it on their own, they’re out to make as much money as they can; they don’t like having to pay out more than any given client has paid in. If they can find a way out of paying, they will. They have become notorious for cancelling coverage when it becomes evident that there will be more and more expensive treatments in the future. Even now, if you have what they call a Pre-Existing Condition, they will refuse to cover it unless you pay a higher premium. ex. A Cancer patient goes into remission. Years later the Cancer returns. Insurance? Sorry… pre-existing condition. We won’t cover that.
melinda Reply: August 10th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
I have to assume that the premiums you quote are their share of the premium and the balance is paid by their employer and if not you neglected to give their annual deductible and annual out of pocket maximums as no one sells insurance for the dollar amounts you quote something is fishy in your story.
That is the conundrum. Once a government program is established it is virtually impossible to get rid of it. For example the income tax that was established to pay the WWI war debt morphed into the monstrosity that now exists. It was supposed to go away when the debt was paid!
David,
What has happened to the people in this country? In 230 years we have gone from a nation of rugged pioneers (who would have been ecstatic to have our health care) to a nation of cry-babies who expect someone else to provide them with the good life.
If the government is having trouble funding Medicare, Medicaid and the drug plan, how do you think it’s going to be able to fund that so-called healthcare program? Medicare is already in trouble and Obama said he would take 294 billion out of it to help fund his program. As someone said, rob Peter to pay Paul. Plus, taxes would go up for everybody, whether you like it or not. I also believe I heard Obama say you would have to pay a premium and there would be co-pays besides. It won’t be free. I has to be paid for somehow.
Nobody said it would be free. As I remember, President Obama said this would be an insurance policy, beside and in competition with the commercial insurance companies. This would honestly be funded by the insurance premiums themselves once you got past the initial setup costs. If this is true, then it is perfectly possible that it could end up earning a profit for the government, eventually even covering Medicare and Medicaid as well.
In other words, it’s not that likely that it would raise our taxes, but instead conceivably lower them.
from your inset pic,are you a furr faggot?
As I understand it, it would only effect about 20 million people.
Might I suggest that before you decide to be in favor of any gov’t policy you ask yourself, Who has the most to gain from this? If the answer is gov’t,large corps, or your rep him or her self.. You need to vote against that policy no matter what party it is proposed by. We all need to look at the voting records of our elected officials. If they are not in line with YOUR principles, then vote that elected official out of office. I might also suggest that there is very little difference in the two major parties any more. Irresponsible spending and the shreading of our constitution has been going on since the days of Nixon,and before…The democratic and republican parties are two wings of the same bird flying in the wrong direction. Sound money policies, fiscal responsibilty, self reliance and independance are what this country needs large doses of right now. We all need to educate ourselvs and stand a vigilant watch over our elected officials, when they go against your principles STAND UP AND BE HEARD. WHEN THE GO WITH YOUR PRINSIPLES ALSO STAND UP AND BE HEARD.wHEN ALL THE OTHERS START SEEING THAT WE ONLY GET ANGERY WHEN WERE NOT LISTENED TO THEY WILL ALL START TO FALL IN LINE. Just look at the way they have been acting as of late. they are all Obama,Ried , and Peolsi’s sheep. These town hall meetings have got them shaken up WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE. BE A PATRIOT! DONOT LET THEM TAKE OUR FREEDOMS WITHOUT A FIGHT….. THIS IS THE VERY LEAST THAT WE OWE OUR PARENTS OUR FOREFATHERS ,AND OUR COUNTRY!!!