Legislation Still Under the Radar Would Devastate U.S. Gun Ownership Rights
September 30, 2009 by Bob Livingston
And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.–President Barack Obama in San Francisco at a 2008 fundraiser.
While high profile issues like passage of a healthcare reform bill and cap and trade energy tax are getting front page headlines and top billing by television talking heads, be very wary of stealth legislation slowly working its way through Congress to restrict gun ownership.
Passage of either of two bills, HR 45 (also known as Blair-Holt Firearm Licensing and Record Sale Act of 2009) and S 1317, would be a devastating blow to Second Amendment rights.
HR 45, introduced by Rep. Bobby Rush, would make it illegal to own a gun unless you are fingerprinted and can provide a driver’s license and Social Security number.
Additionally under HR 45, a person buying a gun would have to undergo both a physical and mental evaluation before making a firearm purchase. It also would require guns be secured from access by children under age 18, and would empower law enforcement officers to come into your home to check compliance.
S 1317, introduced by Sen. Frank Lautenburg, would give the attorney general the right to block gun sales to people on terror watch lists. A third bill, HR 2647, contains a companion clause to S 1317 that gives the attorney general the authority to determine who belongs on terrorist watch lists.
And who are the terrorists? In Obamaworld it’s not the Islamo-fascists flying airliners into buildings, planting improvised explosive devices (IEDs) or strapping bombs to their waists and setting them off in crowded areas.
No, because in Obamaworld, the word terrorism no longer applies to those who were once called terrorists. And those who used to be considered terrorists no longer commit acts of terrorism. No they commit man-caused disasters. The word terrorist, at least in its past usage, has been dropped from the lexicon.
Today’s terrorists, according to those now in power in the United States, are people in flyover country who believe the Constitution is sacrosanct, and that the Second Amendment actually means that people are free to own guns without restriction.
Our own country’s Department of Homeland Security issued an assessment earlier this year warning law enforcement of a possible rise in home-grown terrorism from “right wing extremists.” And who are those rightwing extremists? The assessment tell us: “Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.”
As we’ve reported before in related stories here and here the current administration is no friend to gun owners.
And what does Eric Holder—attorney general for the United States and the person who would under S 1317 be granted the authority to determine who belongs on terrorist watch groups—think about guns?
Following are few of his quotes that have appeared in various newspapers over the last few years:
- “As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons.”
- “The second amendment does not protect firearms possession or use that is unrelated to participation in a well-regulated militia.”
- “To further strengthen the ability of law enforcement officials to track those suspected of terrorism or other criminal acts in this country, Congress should also pass legislation that would give the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms a record of every firearm sale.”
Holder’s boss, the president, is equally unfriendly to gun owners. Writing for Gun Digest last October, gun lobbyist Richard A. Pearson called Obama an enemy of the law abiding firearm owner. You can read his article here.
Some of Obama’s own quotes, as they have appeared in various publications, will back this up:
- “I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry.”
- “I am not in favor of concealed weapons. I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations.”
- “The package (legislation passed in the Illinois Senate) closes the Firearm Owners Identification (FOID) card loopholes which resulted in the shooting out in Melrose Park. We’re eliminating 17 specific assault weapons. There is no reason why anybody should need an assault weapon to protect themselves or their family. We’re limiting handgun sales to one a month. We’re calling for handgun registration. It’s very hard right now to track whether or not a felon has turned in his weapons or if he has a FOID card because we don’t know how many weapons he has purchased.”
Without a doubt, the current administration is the most anti-gun administration in our nation’s history. Don’t let the hullabaloo over healthcare and cap and trade cause you to let your guard down.
And be sure you cling to your guns and religion. They may soon be all you have.
A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
The first step in gun-control is registration.
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!
SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!
With guns, we are ‘citizens.’
Without them, we are ‘subjects’.
I believe in the restriction of assault weapons, but it should stop there. Gun ownership should be protected; gun ownership is not the problem.
We kill more of each other every year than any other country. A man in Texas gets away with shooting and killing two unarmed men in the back with a shotgun in broad day light because they broke into his neighbor’s house. They were NO threat to him, they were running away.
It’s not the guns, it’s us, it’s our society.
When it comes to the question of terrorism, here’s a little fact for you. Two of the three worst terrorist attacks to occur on US soil were domestic, Oklahoma City and a little known attack that occurred shortly after the end of the Civil War. A Southern Sympathizer planted a bomb aboard a river boat carrying decommissioned unarmed Union Soldiers killing over 1500 men. This event, short of 9-11 was the worst terrorist attack on the US in our history. Terrorist attacks, whether they be from domestic of foreign sources should be guarded against as long as it does not affect our constitutional rights. That is part of the price we pay, at least theoretically, for being a free country.
Our freedom must be protected now from those that claim they are protecting us.
In response to SB. The second amendment is there to give us, citizens, the protection to keep firearms and form militias. If the our leaders arm soldiers with assault weapons, then it stands to reason we should have them as well. The Founding Fathers wanted to ensure this new form of government had checks and balances, empowering the citizens is one of those checks.
Thanks Zack,
On 9/30/09 Zack posted a vary short and sweet statement. Not only do I agree, but I would like to say it in even shorter statements.
One: “We are all responsible for our own security.” And Two: “Only the Paranoid survive” (I got that quote off the Psych. Unit Wall, lol).
Let us not forget, if the Second Amendment is lost; the ability to maintain the other Amendments is lost with it.
“Doc”
Never regioster a gun and always purchase the gun from an untracable source.
To Zach et al,
I think all of us (including school children and other citizens) should re-read the Declaration of Independence. I’m going to quote a couple of short sentences just to remind ourselves why We “separated” from the mother country (England).
Para 2: We hold these Truths to be self-evident the all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness–That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it….
Would someone please tell me how We can alter or abolish a Government which becomes destructive if We are unarmed? My answer to my destructive government is Hell NO! I won’t let you destroy my country that my fathers, grandfathers and great grandfathers put themselves in harms way to keep my country free for me and for you!
You do not have the authority to enter our homes and search and confiscate private weapons. And to those who think that assault weapon bans are ok, if you don’t have an “assault weapon” how are you going to keep the government from coming for you.
There are more of Us than of them in D.C. Keep strong, keep alert, and don’t let them get away with any more registration and restrictions on ownership of weapons to keep ourselves safe from them. That is what the Founding Fathers really meant, no matter what Holder says.
The Ghoul
The reason there is a separate amendment regarding gun rights is so politicians would make no mistake about this being a solid uninfringable right that they could neither limit or take away from us. The federal government is fond of using the interstate commerce provision for everything under the sun when in reality it had one purpose only (and it sure wasn’t gun control or for that matter health care).
There is absolutely no difference mechanical wise between an semi-auto assualt weapon and a semi-auto hunting rifle. Fully auto Assault rifles you can not get anyways without extensive background checks. So the argument assualt weapons should be banned holds no water. Statistically it holds no water either. The whole assualt weapons are evil campaign really did a number on how ill-informed non-gun carrying civilians are.
Scot, the AR-15 is rapidly becoming one of he most popular hunting rifles and target guns. Too many times guns get classified “assault weapons” just by their appearance, not by their functionality.
Our legislators have less knowledge about guns than the average gun owner yet, like so often happens, decide they are the experts on the subject. Legislators “always” know what is better for you than you do.
JeffH, While the legislators you speak of are indeed ignorant when it comes to knowledge of firearms (especialy the lefties), calling semi-auto weapons “asault weapons” is not ignorance but instead a calculated strategic move. Their intention is to demonize these weapons in order to fufill their goals of civilian disarmament. First the semi auto weapons, then handguns, then shotgons, then pee shooters until we are completely defensless against their black helicopters mounted with infra red heat seeking dual chainguns. And they will know just where to find us after the 2010 census because everyone will have attached to their name a GPS cordinate.
…and I just received my Del-Ton 20″ flat top rifle kit today, I’m juiced. I have everything to make it “California Legal” including an “off list” CMMG receiver. I also have aquired over 1200 rounds of .223 ammo and a 3.5-10 x 50mm scope. I’m looking forward to finishing the build so I can get ready to eliminate some of the “varmints” that cause us folks out in the country so much grief!
Jeff, why do you think Obama signed the bill authorizing us to carry a loaded gun in a park? Why would he sign that, it he was trying to take away our guns? Just wondering what your thoughts are on this.
He was just “throwin’ the dog a bone”.
JeffH the people that try to cut assault weapons use tis because these are the weapons our troops use in war and they can use more lies about these being far more dangerous becase they have to have special training to use these guns than you do to use a shot gun or pistol. Also as you said most of the people no nothing about the subject they are ranting about,most of the rant is caused by fear,the fear that if we are armed that we may finally get tired of their BS and stand up against them with weapons to add emphasis to our complaints
Well said Scott. It is the strong, law-abiding character of the average American as well as the strength of our Constitution that will always matter, in any scenario. All guns are things…without mind or will. Politicians, on the other hand, do have mind and will. The greatest concern for American society is to have politicians elected who set their minds and wills to upholding the Constitution and strengthening the rights of our citizenry…which includes the right to bear arms…any and all.
JAMES…sorry I missed reading your post earlier, but your comments are very true. Well said!
Ok but think about what you just said. You said banning assult weapons is ok. What are you going to defend yourself with then, pistols (close range) or maybe shot guns again ( close range) or maybe a hunting rifle ( limited number of shots ). Meanwhile the people you are defending yourself against dont give a rats ass about obeying the law so they are using assult weapons. If we allow our weapons to be taken away what are we going to defend ourselves with, maybe rocks. I would say there are a lot of people out there that would like to see us defenseless. Well I for one will never be defenseless or a victom.
Having been trained in the U.S. Military, we were trained to never relinquish our weapon at any time voluntarily. And that goes for anyone demanding you turn it over to the requester.
If you are covered by weapons from others = turn the weapon over or die. Simple, yes????
I guess your logic behind restrictions to assault weapons is…… Ok I don’t know what it is. But imagine for a moment that I ran you over with a fully loaded cement truck and killed you. Now, imagine I ran you over with a 1979 Pinto and killed you. Will the cement truck kill you more? My point is it doesn’t matter what kind of gun you carry. It only matters how you carry it and for what purpose. Now I not trying to be hateful towards you in any way. I am only trying to get you to see the fault in your logic. Assault rifles or no more of a threat than a single shot 22 in the hands of someone devious. As far as the guy shooting someone in the back leaving the scene of a crime. How would you feel if these too criminals were climbing out of your window after having their way with your wife or worse yet your baby girl. This Texan may have not been in any immediate danger from these two himself, but he have very well save a young lady from something too horrific to describe later on in their criminal careers.
Trouble with people like SB is: He or she wants the government to wipe his nose for him or her. They want somebody to lay them down in bed at night and pat their little heads and tell them a bedtime story.
I am not use to blogs/comments regarding guns, so when I started reading the comments I was shocked to see how civil people are here! Is this typical of arms-bearing Americans? You should be proud! The Dems blogs/comments on anything are full of foul language and completely mean-spirited. Enough about that.
I am a great-grandmother who has never liked guns. Until now. This administration has made me understand the importance of owning guns and I plan to get one immediately. I don’t even have a TV, so I don’t watch FOX, but the info I get on the internet is enough to make me feel like I am living in Germany in the early ’30′s. Yesterday, for the first time in my life, I had a fleeting moment of fear of my government. I just can’t believe this is happening to my beloved country.
Now to figure out what kind of gun to buy.
Dear Ms. Smith:
If you are anywhere in the Union, but especially in the West, you can look around for a chapter of Second Amendment Sisters – they will have good ladies who can help you pick the right weapon for you AND give you the training you need to use it properly, plus help with any paperwork that you might need (even in Western states there are some states that demand that). Go to either 2ASisters.org or 2ASisters.net, or send me an e-mail at liberty.ritter -AT- gmail.com and let me know what state you are in, and I’ll send you contacts.
You have good logic. Follow the advice of S Boes as she is a true American and obviously a very smart lady.
These blogs both sides can get nasty at times, but for the most part some make their statements with accuracy and thought. There may be a lot of rhetoric thrown out here but it is the “Bottom Line” that is most important of all.
Do not be afraid, no matter who may try to persuade you, to look into researching and contributing or joining a pro-Second Amendment organization. You don’t even have to make monetary donations to have an impact on preserving our 2nd Amendment rights.
Good luck!
i would recommend a .38 super revolver or a .357 snub nose or if your budget affords it a glock 10mm compact.
S. Smith, I like my little purse gun. It is an “Airweight” by Smith and Wesson, it does not make my purse so heavy that I can not carry it. It shoots a .357 and some other caliber. It does not hurt my arthritic hands and it shoots a tight little pattern on a target. I used it to run a home invader out of my house in 2005. I was 66 years old and he was 24 and resembled Mike Tyson, except he was Mexican, not Black. He was high on methamphetamine and a big fellow. His own daddy told me over at the courthouse that if I had not had the pistol his son would surely have killed me. When someone tells me they are THINKING ABOUT getting a gun, I tell them if I was still THINKING ABOUT getting one, I would be dead now. GET ONE! Take a course in shooting it and caring for it. My friend Barbara was murdered in her own home by a drug addict who came in to rob her. She screamed, so he killed her. If only she’d been armed! Thomas Bendoraititis- – -HOW DID YOU GET TO THIS PLANET??!!! GO BACK!!
Glaringly obvious plant.
What kind of assualt weapons are you refering to? The class III (full automatic) weapons that can only be owned with a class III license or the many semi auto clones that are used for sporting hunting in some cases ( ranch preditor )or any one of many legit uses? Where does it state what kind of weapon we can and cant own? Like far to many you have injected personal desires into a document instead what is actually in that document. That is the biggest virus behind every problem we suffer today! Please remember a conservative reads a document for what is there a liberal reads that document for what could be.
daryl
you don’t think you should have any limits on what type of guns you can own. You would have no problem than, w/ your neighbor having nuclear tipped artillery shells, mortar rounds, rocket propelled nuclear grenades..how about actual atomic bombs? are those ‘arms’ that your overly glorified constitution allows you?
Excuse me, I should have said ‘nucular’,like your NRA buddy Bush,so you and your comrades would uderstand.
Denniso, First of all, it’s your constitution as well whether you like it or not. I suggest you read it and most especially the 2nd amendment and then maybe you would be able to derive an answer to your own questions.
Open mouth and insert foot! The only sense you have is in you pocket!
Atta girl, bring in Bush and ridicule him, because thats all you got. Do you have something against his Texas accent? Im from Indiana, and I dont. I dont think people from the south are uneducated because of their “come back, y’all.” Most are smarter than those in the North. Dont be so judgemental on people because of the way they talk. Very unbecoming of you.
Denniso, sounds and looks to me like you need to go back to school and learn how to spell, and learn a little more history. Been a NRA Life Member for 37 years, and if it wasn’t for them, you would probably be knocked off by now from an idiot that disobeys all laws, which are going to have firearms no matter what the cronies do in Washington about the 2nd amendment. Better thank the NRA for fighting for our 2nd amendment rights so that we the people can protect ourselves. George Bush was far better President than the idiot we got in there now. He’s the laugh of the century.
The NRA is America’s Homeland Security, at least the one with America’s well being in mind. You can bash them all you want but in the end…if Germany had had an NRA they would never have had a Hitler. So sign up now and join with some “moral” Americans. Never, Ever, let yourself be disarmed.
Our right to bear arms was written into our constitution because the drafters of this document knew what a corrupt government can do. If you want to control,not govern the first thing you do is disarm the society.They were smart enough to place these safeguards in this document. If they take automatics, then it will semi automatics and then all of the others.This administration has attacked more of our rights and freedoms than any other President in American history.I don’t know where you are from or where you have been. But people better wake up. Guns dont kill any more than does an automobile. it’s people who misuse them. Should we all ride bokes too?
“I believe in the restriction of assault weapons, but it should stop there.”
“We kill more of each other every year than any other country. A man in Texas gets away with shooting and killing two unarmed men in the back with a shotgun in broad day light because they broke into his neighbor’s house. They were NO threat to him, they were running away.”
Both statements from your reply.
First off, if the anti-gun groups ever get that much a foothold on the banning of the assault weapons they would never stop there !!
I say bravo for the person that defended his neighbors property ! Stop and think what America would be like if the criminals knew they might die at the hands of a neighbor if they got caught breaking into ANY PLACE NOT THEIRS ! More people should look out for their neighbor ! And with deadly force if necessary !
Statistics prove that criminals almost always have a list of things they have done to society against the law, but never got caught at.
Look at Australia now with their gun laws. The criminals know they can go into anyone’s home almost without the fear of being hurt by the homeowner!! Maybe a sharp knife…. But there are now people trying to outlaw knives in this country!!!!
For God’s sake,,,,, Be on one side or the other!! Not wishey washey somewhere in between !!
Either you have your rights or you don’t!!! Not part way !!
Is “Justice” for a Murder 1 year in the pen? How about 10? 20? 30? The way I see it, just like back in the good ol’ day’s when parents brought their children to these events to show them if they caused harm what would happen. These “Murderers” should be HUNG ON PUBLIC TELEVISION to show WE DO NOT CONDONE MURDER! If you kill, you should be killed. If you rape, you should lose your ding ding. If you steal, yes, you should lose your hand. That is the ONLY way to make it widespread that “I care about MY people, I care about MY country, and you have rights but you have to respect others rights!” If you do not respect others rights, do not expect your rights to be respected by respectful/respectable peoples.
I’m Paul, I’m 21, and I was raised in areas of Michigan and Georgia where crime and violence are prevalent. I stick up for MY people, they stick up for me too. I have never caused harm to a person, I have never stole from a person and/or business, as a matter of fact the only illegal action I have ever par-took in was smoking Marijuana (or Marihuana in the state of Michigan, even spell checker has underlined it
and I face $465 in fines, six months of probation and other little things such as “You are not to be (so broadly put) NEAR a person whom possesses and Illegal substance.” Ok, so if I’m down by the beach and a couple of people are smoking on a J, a police officer is walking behind me the whole way so he knows I’m not with these people, he busts them and then arrests me too because I’m “near” these people whom possess drugs? I don’t even know them officer! “Well, you should have stayed home!” Heh, I do not think so buddy!
It is this way, because the marijuana smoker is an easy mark for law enforcement and the courts. They nail you. For some reason, which totally eludes me, rapists, child molesters, and sometimes even murderers, are given less sentence time than that of someone caught with dope. Our Penal system is broken, and that is why crime is so high, and more the reason for one to own a gun. I fully believe that if when caught in the act with murder, one should be put to death. If they rape or molest, I agree, off with that member. If they are caught stealing, off with the hand. You and I both know that these career criminals keep doing these crimes, because all they get is a slap on the hand for it. Most these guys have no home, no job, no permanent address, and since the system has nothing to get from them, they let them go, so they repeat crimes again and again and again. Step up the punishment and it will stop.
SB,,,, Do you really understand what an assault weapon is ?? Most people don’t, but there are those that are trying to classify every weapon used in a war or by any army as an assault weapon. Just for one example the “03-A3 30.06 Springfield rifle used in WWII is probably one of the most customized hunting rifles around. It is used widely still today! But it was originally designed for war ………..
Now,,,,,,where do you draw a line ??????? There should be no line !!
To SB I agree with every thing you said except about the man in Texas. Two THUGS broke into his neighbors house which he happened to be watching. If we all looked after each other in our own neighborhood,and the thugs know we are looking and have guns…well maybe they will find another line of work. Instead of breaking into our houses and stealing what we have worked for,raping and killing widow elderly people,creating terror in our own homes. We have had enough of THUGS…and they better beware because we girls are arming ourselves.
I think I draw the line at grenades and cannons. Too much collateral damage.
The 2nd Amendment says “arms”, not pistols, not rifles, not shotguns, not muskets. “Arms.” If some DC budget lists Stealth bombers or hydrogen bombs under “arms”, then the government has knowingly ratified my right to bear those items…. ©2009
Hey SB, do you know the workings of steam technology which was the driving force used to propel the SULTANA? As surely as a plane will plummet to the earth for lack of fuel, A steam boiler will explode for lack of water.Could this be the reason you chose to omit the name of the vessel on which this tragedy occurred.
If a person gets shot for burglary, theft, breaking into someone’s home, well he chose to make himself a target. Getting shot for being a thief is an occupational hazard. If you don’t want to risk getting shot, then choose another line of “work.”
SB:
What, exactly, do the incidents you refer to have to do with firearms?
By your own description, the two domestic incidents were bombs! 9/11 was an airplane, for cryin’ out loud! I understand the article mentions terrorism, but only in the context of the current administration re-defining words, like “Tax”, as they see fit.
Further, the idea of a militia is for the citizenry to maintain a free state against an oppressive government. It is the ultimate in checks and balances. If you knew your history, you’d easily see that societies which are disarmed become the most oppressed or crime-ridden. Dave H’s post is pretty enlightening, and I wonder what the final toll will be in Iran, another country with unarmed citizens! Like N. Korea! Most people would say theat can’t happen here, we’re too… fill in the blank. But what do you think this country would look like in twenty-five to fifty years without a truly free citezenry? Please don’t say it won’t happen here, many have tried ( and succeded piecemeal) and are still trying to impose Draconian, opressive, and regressive laws which have done nothing but chip away at individual liberty, all because they think they know what’s best.
Europe refers to it’s growing crime rate as “American Conditions”! The evidence points to crime being reduced with the passage of “shall-issue” laws. That info is all over the web, so I won’t link, but you’ll find it in a matter of minutes.
In saying “It’s us!”, you ignore the fact that homicide is down 28% since 1979. For accidental deaths, firearms account for 0.8% of all accidental deaths in ’02 behind medical complications 3.1%, drowning 3.9%, poisoning 13%, falls 17.8% and, ready for this, motor vehicle accidents 44.3%!
As apercentage of workplace fatalaties, firearms don’t even register behind fires/explosions at 3% In the 90′s, firearms were7th after what the study called “Medical misadventures”.
The site I printed from is http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/causes.html
Sorry it’s not a proper link, but this is an old article I printed, plus I’m not savvy enough to know how to link properly. I’m learnin’ though.
Another study of the leading causes of death for all ages puts firearms behind septicemia and renal failure at 1.2% in ’02, though the stats show firearms surpassing those depending on the age group.
http://www.the-eggman.com/writings/death_stats.html, but the study was conducted by theNational Vital Statistics Report, Vol. 50, No. 15Sep. 16, 2002.
I digress, though.
The last line of your post begs the question, “How”? Without some serious deterrent, what’s to protect us from those who claim to be protecting us?
Personally, I’d park an M1A2 Abrams and F-22 Raptor in my garage, if they weren’t cost-prohibitive!
i do beleive a concrete bunker w a 20mm orklon sticking out of the embrasure would send a clear message to any would be evildoers!
You estimated that a US without our Constitutional freedoms wouldn’t last 25 to 50 years; My take on that is that it wouldn’t last two and a half to five years.
This Congress and Administration today are hell-bent on changing this Country into a Communist third world state.
“I believe in the restriction of assault weapons, but it should stop there. Gun ownership should be protected; gun ownership is not the problem.”
Please define “Assualt Weapon”. If I use a knife to attack and kill would that be an “Assualt Weapon”? I agree with we need regulations and laws but the problems are they are writing more and more laws in an attempt to disarm us all in America. Enforce the laws that are in place and stop making more laws. Stop trying to totally disarm us and adhear to the Constitution as it is. In another word “Leave our guns alone Government” along with our healt care and on and on and on.
SB, Your recolection of the Texas man shooting two burglars does not jive with the facts. These two previously convicted criminals from Colombia entered the country illegally and were members of an organized burglary ring in Houston. When Mr.Horn witnessed them leaving his neighbors house and then proceeded to approach Mr. Horn on his own property with $2,000.00 cash and jewelry, Mr.Horn ordered the two men to, “stop or your dead”. The two men did not heed Mr. Horn’s warning and were shot as they approached him on his own property. Mr. Horn was exonerated of any charges in a Texas court.
As well as he should be. Unfortunately, some other states like to protect the guilty victim and screw the real victim. I believe it was Wisconsin, but Im not sure anymore, where a guy broke into a church and stole a bunch of stuff and took it up on the roof, and decided to take a break and sat down on a skylight and fell through it and got hurt, broken legs or something like that. The courts there found the church guilty of having an unsafe skylight and let the guy sue them for like 50 thousand dollars. What a joke. The guy should have been put in jail, and made to pay for the damages. I know too many policemen here in Indiana that are getting frustrated, because they arrest these criminals and watch the lawyers and judges, who are all in cahoots with each other, release these guys the next day, especially the big drug dealers and such that you and I both know are paying off the lawyers and judges. Maybe someday at the present rate, people are going to get tired of it, and these judges and lawyers are going to start getting shot at. Maybe thats why these politicians want to control hand guns. Hmm. Thats a thought.
In response to SB’s comment “I believe in the restriction of assault weapons”. By definition, an “assault weapon” is selective fire, meaning it can fire full auto. These weapons are very expensive, and very difficult to obtain (in the states that allow them). What they are trying to ban semi-automatic COPIES of assault weapons. As many have already said, the anti-gunners’ definition of an assault weapon is purely COSMETIC. Additionally, the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear arms for DEFENSE, the so-called semi-automatic “assault weapons” are actually ideal for this purpose. During the 1992 riots, the few businesses that went unscathed (and owners/employees not attacked by looters) were those who stood on the roof of their businesses with so-called “assault weapons.”
Don’t worry, when Obama, Bloomberg, Feinstein and the rest of the gun grabbers take my “assault weapons”, they will come after your “scoped sniper rifle”.
You, fool don’t you know that re-installing the so-called Assault Wapons ban is just the first step in these left-wing liberal socialist-communist gun control plans. They want all guns out of citizens hands.
Answer this question: What is an assault weapon? A semi-automatic rife is not, I repeat an Assault Weapon. Assault Weapons are automatic and used my the military and police
WE MUST RESIST ALL EFFORTS TO CONTROL OUR FREE SPEECH AND GUNS.
BUY ALL THE AMMO YOU CAN BEFORE THE PRICE GOES UP. I AM.
Ill tell you what. I dont even own a gun, but if these wankers get their laws instituted that they want to make it illegal, I will go get me two of them illegally, just like the criminals do, because if they are made illegal, the criminals are going to have a field day because its going to be open season on everyone for them. The guns will still be there, we will just have to get them illegally like the criminals do. I mean heck, even though they are legal now, over 90 percent of the criminals have theirs illegally. Its not going to stop them from having guns, so I dont know why people think for one minute it will reduce crime. It will escalate it like never ever seen before.
You are 100% right!! “They” know that, but do not care. Their mission is gaining all the power over the people (you and me). They don’t care about the criminals. They are one!! Just look at Great Britin and Australia. The private sector no longer have the right to gun ownership and the crime in those countries has more than doubled! WAKE UP AMERICANS! This is going to be a fight for our lives, liberties, and persuit of happiness.
the judge that aquitted that man ought to be given a public service award as well as the man who downed the two scum bags!!
What is an Assault Weapon? Semi-Automatic rifles are not, I repeat, not Assault Weapons. Assault type weapons are only used by the military and police and already illegal. Assault Weapon is a term used by the government and media as another way to restrict our 2nd Ammendment Rights. Don’t fall for it. Stand up for all our Gun Rights!!!!!!!!!!!
A restriction on assault weapons basically negates the intent of the second amendment.
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
The intent of the amendment is to guarantee your ability to protect and defend your natural rights, freedoms and liberty from a tyrannical government.
With that in mind and the current state of weaponry in the government arsenal, Any restriction would be a guarantee of your inability to protect your liberty.
SB:
You believe the ban on “assault” rifles is OK? Sorry, but I could not disagree more. Once you open the door, believe me, this “president” and the band of thugs who are surrounding him, will not stop there. Then we get down to what eric holder wants to define as an “assault” rifle.
On the contrary, I see no reason why there should be a ban on any gun made, including, and in particular, full auto M-16′s and the like.
When we start talking about guns, and the control of, there seems to be the argument from the left that gun control equates to less crime. But, on the contrary, statistics show the opposite is true.
The fact is, just like everything the left does, this is not about reducing crime through gun control which is the argument they always present. In reality, it is all about CONTROL and POWER.
And the reason they see the 2nd as a threat is that they have a lot more BIG GOVERNMENT (ie, POWER AND CONTROL) planned for us.
Live Free or Die Trying
SB, Obviously you buy into the “black rifle” BS. I’m retired after 23 years of military service to “protect and defend” the US Constitution and nowhere in that document can I find anything that justifies your statement about restricting so-called “assault rifles”. I own and enjoy using well over 30 rifles and numerous handguns. Some of my rifles would be so-called “assault weapons”. NONE of them has ever “shot” anything without a person pulling the trigger. In and of themselves they are no different than any other tool that I use. As Thomas Jefferson once stated; “NO freeman shall ever be denied the use of arms.” If you wish to take some of my legally owned arms from me remember the quote “From my cold dead fingers.”
“You never ever, ever, ever need a gun, until you need one.”
“An armed society is a polite society.”
Here is something that you all might find interesting it is from Hitlers book Mein Kampf,it sounds like our current leaders playbook for the game they are in,>
Mein Kampf:706 “The great speaker will repeat his message so often, with so many examples, he will overcome objections and refute them before they are even raised.” Bukhari:V6B60N662 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Some eloquent speech is as effective as magic.’”
gun control is a steady aim and squeeze the trigger fits all guns come and get mine one bullet at a time
No restrictions on weapons (firearms). Just because “I” don’t like Shotguns dosen’t mean that you can’t have one. I finally went into the 21 century and bought an AR15 (ooooh “Black and scary”) “assult rifle”. If you think about it, almost every rifle invented from the “matchlock” to the Electric Gatling Gun has been or could have been classified as an “Assult” weapon. From the Springfield ’03, The M1 Gerand or more. IT AIN’T THE GUN PEOPLE, IT’S THE PERSON WITH THEIR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER.
First, assault weapons were outlawed in 1934. The guns they’re trying to outlaw today are semi-auto firearms that only resemble assault weapons in their asthetics. They function no differently than any other semi-auto sporting arm.
Second, show me the 19th century river boat that will hold 1500 persons. Further, that 1500 were killed means that there had to be even more aboard, since some would have had to survive. You’re an idiot. Not hard to blow smoke up your arse. But even if it were possible to have happened, that you would use it to diminish today’s actual terrorism against civilians, says everything we need to know about you. Go screw yourself!
This line of thinking is very skewed. How can you call confederates terrorists. Hindsight being 20/20 isn’t it obvious they were acting in this countries best interest. Jim McVeigh may very well been set up. The real threat to our country is unsecured borders, multiple languages wich water down nationalism, and the distruction of our christian culture! Guns especially assault weapons should be in every home.
SB, your history is a bit clouded about the bomb on a riverboat that killed Union soldiers returning home after the Civil War. You are surely referring to the sinking of the Sultana, however, the cause of the sinking was that the boat was in very poor condition and was grossly overloaded. A boiler exploded due to its poor maintenance and the extreme load it was carrying. Had the boat not been so overloaded the loss of life would have been far less. It was not the work of a Southern sympathizer. Are you also one of the deluded masses who actually thinks the war was fought to free the slaves? Nothing could be further from the truth. In the Civil War, for the most part, the only terrorism was committed by the likes of Northerners such as Sherman, Grant, and Lincoln who defied the law and the Constitution to invade the South and leave a trail of death and destruction which touched soldier and civilian alike. Heck, we weren’t even as ruthless to the Germans and Japanese in WWII as we were to the people of the South.
“I believe in the restriction of assault weapons,”
SB……………….An assault weapon as currently defined by the anti-gunners is any seme-auto rifle or pistol. That would include your grand fathers antique Browning semi-auto shotgun, your semi-auto 22 rifle you shoot for fun or use as a squirrl rifle, and your semi-auto pistol you use for personal protection.
The term “assault weapon” was invented by the anti-gunners for just this purpose. A true assault rifle is defined as one using a small caliber bullit capable of firing either semi-auto or full auto (usualy burst fire).
As Americans, it is important to recognize the realities as well as the myths. The realities of this article is that the anti-gun advocates will continue to attack your right to own guns by any means possible. The myth is that Americans, more than ever, will allow that to happen. Obama, Holder, Feinstein and their anti-gun supporters are dedicated to strip you of your constitutional protection. They, along with billionaires Mayor Bloomberg, George Soros, and a host of others see the armed peace loving citizens as carriers of death, and a threat to their phycopathic desire to control others and their need for power.
Obama’s anti-gun voting record is very clear. He has a perfect record of supporting anti-gun measures and legislation that he cast a vote on. I’ll repeat, 100%. Diane Feinstein is an evil witch that legaly carries a concealed handgun, but beleives that no one else has that right. During the push to make the SKS illegal, she stood in front of the press holding an AK47, referring to it as an SKS. They don’t know what they are even talking about at times. Like the blind leading the blind.
When will the anti-gun group come to the realization that gun control does not stop criminals from using guns in crimes they commit.
This is a freedom I will refuse to lose.
If you want my guns, you’ll have to pry them from my cold dead hands.
In referance to some bills that have been submitted and rejected, do not think for one second that they are dead. There will always be those that will, “chip away” piece by piece, The Second Amendment and what it means to every citizen in America.
I agree with what Jeff H says. I would also like to add I am a former police officer from a small southern police dept, and sometthing that the Chief of that dept said to me 30 years ago has stayed with me to this day and I believe it stronger today than ever. He told me that as a police officer my job was not to protect every citizen in our city because that would be a physical impossibilty. My job was to clean up the mess and bring the guilty to justice. Today as a private citizen I realize that its my responsability to protect myself from being a victem. And as Jeff H put it they will have to pry my guns from my cold dead hands. I owe my family that much. Thanks for listening and thanks for this forum so I can exspress this and also see that I am not alone.
Thank you for your support.
For C Lee:
Your former job description should have been “peace officer” and not necessarily “law enforcer”. If I have not harmed anyone else, or anyone else’s property, or there is no imminent threat that I will do so, then as far as I’m concerned, no crime has been committed.
I’m an old retired copper, too, and agree with you 110%. I’d like to think that our brother officers would not enforce anything as blatantly unconstitutional as firearms confiscation. But, we have to realize this new generation of law enforcement officers were “educated” in our liberal system where no guns are good guns. I was continually surprised by the number of new officers, male and female, who were afraid of their weapons and carried them only because they were required. Please, people, don’t think that it can’t happen here in the good old USA, because it can. We have to be vigilant, pro-active, and refuse to let it happen at all costs…
Not only do these left wing liberals not know what they are talking about, they really think we are all stupid, just because their followers are. Its like when Barbara Streisand flew across the country in her private jet, got into an SUV limo, drove across town to the venue the event was at, then went on stage and told people not to drive big SUV’s, to get hybrids and save the ecology, then gets back into the SUV limo, drives to the airport, and flies her jet back home. Yes, they do this crap, and think we are really stupid that we cant add 2 plus 2, just because their followers blindly follow and cant do it.
I did not break any of the rules concerning participating in this blog, yet my entire reply was censored, though, it could not have been vaporized because it stated well-written, intelligent debate from an opposing view, as ALL views are “welcome”, just as “some animals are more equal than others”. Is the 1st Amendment not of any concern here?
My sentiments exactly…better to die on one’s feet than to live on one’s knees!!!! Let’s keep our eyes and ears open for ANY legislation either on the Federal or State level that restricts our 2nd Amendment rights. With all the hoopla over health care and cap and trade, this is the time the antis may try to sneak something by us under the radar. Groups like the NRA are our watchdogs and need our support more than ever!!
I guess that allauh oboma needs to remove all the guns so his bros can terrorize all of us with out having to blow them selves up every time.
there running out of martyrs, if you cant protect your self from a tyranistic government then they win. if we the people are not a informed malitia then the constitution has no meaning.can you imagine how difficult it would be to try to take the arms of 300 million pissed of americans that would be a feat in its self. when the first shot is fired all hell is going to break loose and its not going to be pretty
This is all nonsense. The second amendment gave us the right to own muzzle loaded rifles and pistols. We will never know if the drafters of this amendment meant for every citizen to own rapid fire or automatic weapons. The second amendment also says nothing about weapons registration. By equating weapons registration with taking away of weapons shows a deep distrust against and hate of our democratic government. Don’t compare us with the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. Even in Germany many citizens had weapons that they lost only after the occupying forces took them away in 1945. And what is wrong with proving that you are a law abiding citizen with a social security card, and not a convicted criminal, mental case, or illegal immigrant? Our laws now permit people to buy thousands of weapons and smuggle them into Mexico to the drug mafia. Unlimited weapons possession by the unqualified and criminal mind make the USA the murder capital of the civilized world. And if it isn’t murder it is manslaughter by people who don’t know how to handle a weapon.
RHSchumann..The words you have just written are the words of someone that is ignorant to the years of assault by the anti-gun supporters on gun owners in America. There is gun registration in place to keep the felons and criminals from owning “legaly” aquired guns. Since when are “rocket launchers and machine guns” readily available for purchase by anyone without special licensing. Second, there are not “1000′s of guns being bought in the US and sold to the criminals in Mexico.
It is very easy to make a judgement based on ignorance and media information. Do some research and then repeat you comments.
This guy probably also thinks that the hand grenades that the drug smugglers are using in Mexico that are made in (North) Korea are to be purchaced at WalMart and then are smuggled into Mexico! The accurate figure is that only about 17% of the guns that the drug smugglers are using in Mexico are from the US. Considering our long and porous border this is really rather low. It is just easier and less expensive for criminals to get their guns elsewhere. Let’s face facts: guns are very widely available to the criminal element throughout the world (Even – especially – in Great Britain!) Let’s even the playing field. Law abideing citizens also need to be armed.
that 17% number is bs that hillary made up the truth is all of the guns that were counted that didnt have numbers were from the federalies that took up sides with the drug cartels then got killed and all of there guns where on display to show that they were tough on corruption yea right they lied and said that all the guns came from gun stores here in arizona bull sh-t no one can prove that you cant buy m16s full auto here dont beleave every thing you read or hear get the facts
Jeff, one last point to make. All guns manufactured in the US or for the US must have a serial number versus most other countries that do not. This is why it appears that most of the guns confiscated in Mexico are from the US. In reality, less than 10% of guns that are confiscated in Mexico can be traced to the US. So if Washington wants to enact gun control, let them first go tho the UN and demand that any country producing guns must have a serial number and country of manufacture registered with Interpol. I think that might be a good start. And the US should not have to pony up the money to fund that UN mandate. I wonder what China and Russia’s take on that would be?
Where in The Second Amendment is there mention of “muzzle loaders”?
QUOTE: Unlimited weapons possession by the unqualified and criminal mind make the USA the murder capital of the civilized world. And if it isn’t murder it is manslaughter by people who don’t know how to handle a weapon.
Your ignorance is overwhelming…why do you think a “background check and 10 day waiting period” are part of the gun purchasing process?
Again, do you research!
Background checks are great! Remember that the man who shot up Virginia Tech was cleared by the background check process even though he was not qualified to buy a gun because under HIPAA it is not legal to disclose his mental health history. It is only reasonable that if mental illness disqualifies one from buying or owning guns and background checks are done then any disqualifying medical history needs to be on the NCIC computer for all (including prospective employers and nosy neighbors) who might be able to gain access to the NCIC database to see! This is no more of an invasion of privacy than publishing pictures and identifying information of convicted perverts (Meghan’s law).
The FEDS dropped the ball and didn’t complete their JOB!
And if teachers or a janitor or someone at Virginia Tech were allowed to carry a handgun, they could have stopped this guy way before he did all the damage he did. Just a thought.
The First Ammendement did not see fax machines, internet, telephone, email or movies or cellphones,,,,,When we go back to the town-crier and the quill pen you will have a point,,,and ,,,,You can make this utterly insane argument,,,,,I suppose you are all for the police and military having the very latest in weaponry under Bush,,,,,,,( Kent State anyone?? )…..
Instead of smoking dope all through history class,,,,,you people should have been taking notes……..
THANK YOU< CURT!!!!!
So Bush is gone for almost a year now, and your still blaming him for your down falls. Amazing.
To: RHSchumann,Typical Liberal Op from move on or Media Matters,Your a Misinform Troll and misinterpret the Constitution! i have the right to form a militia and not to be infringed to keep and bear arms Period end of discussion! They can chip and chip and chip ! In the end They will lose! we Have enough common sense laws on the books Go visit the NRA.org GOA, and go to gunsight.com and then wake up Arm your self for you say they control well They control with $ and threats! We are free as ;long as we are Armed and it is my business not yours if I comply and obey the laws it is my duty! I say an Armed Society is a Polite Society Until Jesus Christ Returns,Amen!
Kevin… Yes, in 1776 you were given the right to form a militia and not to be infringed to keep and bear arms. Have you formed a militia lately? Have you considered just how well you and your band of Bubba’s would do against a well-armed modern army? Actually, I doubt the best modern militia would stand a chance against a second-rate National Guard unit. YOUR militia just can’t afford the weaponry, the armor and the communications of a modern army, and your second amendment rights will just make you a very bloodied martyr.
I know history and I agree with the theory, but the second amendment and your right to form a militia just doesn’t work anymore. If you want to make a case to keep your gun(s)… you need to make better arguements. Right now, I don’t know what that argument is, I just know that your’s doesn’t work… the logic doesn’t stand the test.
By the way, are you really “waiting for Jesus” with a gun in your hand?
With all due respect and thanks to our forces, wherever they may be, I have taken notice of the fact that in the various photo/video ops that have been aired, most soldiers appear to be firing blindly over the tops of walls or around corners, without taking much aim at all. Kind of a random scatter-shot way of shooting…It uses far less costly ammo to locate and target an adversary and likely will have a far higher kill ratio.
Remember, in Vietnam those little guys in black pajamas didn’t have very much in the way of armaments, yet they managed to hold us off fairly well for a number of years..The lesson to be learned is asymmetric warfare is hard to fight with organized troop movement.Patience usually wins out over brute force.
Of course carpet bombing kills everything in it’s path…We wouldn’t do that here, would we?
Hell !! Look what defended the new world against England. Look what a few radicals are doing in Afghanistan against our superior weapons and know how !!
Not that they are in the right, but still…….
And not that we would be forced to go that far,,,,, but the government needs to understand that people pushed too far might stand up against their wishes. Unarmed they don’t stand much a chance.
Obama is trying to prepare this country to blend in with everyone else in the world when he becomes leader of the new world government.
A dammed “redneck” just don’t fit in there !! He might make waves !
BE A SUBJECT IF YOU WANT TO,, BUT DO IT IN ANOTHER COUNTRY !!
Well there are more of us out here that have thought about those things Lynn…I would like to talk to you personally but that isn’t going to happen and I think most of us out here need to go back to reloading anyway. However I for one appreciate you bringing the modern weapons, detection and accuracy into the conversation that we will be facing. Gas masks are cheap so are old flack vests and you know we can take anything off any achieved kill that is better protection than our own equipment. Take all, strip them clean if necessary.
Max
I would bet dollars to donuts that if it came down to a showdown of that nature , based on Obama and his puppets trying to take away american rights that a large number of our military would turn on him and join our side of things
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis&feature=PlayList&p=9911D6A71D3BEE89&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=38
It seems like that ragtag militia you are talking about is giving our first rate solders in Afghanistan all sorts of trouble. In fact there are prognosticators in the media and military that are saying we are getting our asses kicked. What you don’t understand is people fighting for something and those who are just doing a job. Firepower is great but it’s tough to fight an enemy who have a cause and who fight using guerrilla tactics. Just ask the Russians in the 80′s and the U.S in the 60′s.
It seems you haven’t noticed that a bunch of camel herding farmers in Afghanistan are holding their own pretty well with their pea shooting AK’s. Even strong armies have a tough time subduing the will of the human spirit. No American wants to stand against our army you dope. These are our sons and daughters. We only want our Government to fear us, as they should. Its the only thing that truly keeps liberty alive.
Scroll up and read DaveH history. Do you really think our government will remain forever beneficent? No country ever has, and ever will. Eventually, to quote Thomas Jefferson, “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants”.
you need to read up on chechneya and the mujideen in afghanistan and the boars vs the brits and the french resistance in ww-11 or crete or yugoslavia and on and on.how bout nam?obviously you don’t know your history much,do you????
quote: “Today, as during the early days of this country, the people are still the militia, in the usage of the word at the time of our founding. The actual purpose of having armed citizens was to guard against an overbearing government. In the inimitable words of our National Spokesperson, Suzanna Gratia-Hupp, when speaking to Senator Schumer and other members of a Senate committee: “The purpose of the Second Amendment is to protect all of us (the people) from all of you (the politicians).”
We now live in a country that has been promised “Hope and Change” by our new president. Since we have no details of what “hope” and what “change” he was speaking about during the election, the Second Amendment is more important than ever. We must be ever more alert to signs of any government entity trying to erode the God-given and constitutionally enumerated right to keep and bear arms and all other constitutionally guaranteed rights.”
From: Mari Thompson is President of SAS, and is also one of its founding members.
Lynn, before you go spouting off on your expertise in Constitutional law, LEARN WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Current US law puts EVERY ABLE BODIED MALE between the ages of 18 and 45 (65 for military veterans) in the militia.
You don’t think a rag-tag militia can fight even a second rate National Guard? There are many cases in history where armed citizens beat first-rate armies. Some, such as the American Revolution were for the better… Others had an adverse outcome (Soviet Union, China, Cambodia, Vietnam).
We are struggling in TWO insurgencies against militias at this time in Afghanistan and Iraq. If an advanced army can so easily defeat a militia, why are we still fighting those wars? Why wasn’t the Soviet military able to defeat the Afghans?
Wake up and look through history so you don’t make a fool of yourself!
YOU have no idea what the original framers meant. Try reading the Federalist Papers. Go on line and find out what the founding fathers say they meant. Then come back and talk to us.
DOES THIS MEEN THAT I CAN HAVE A CANNON? I do believe they had them back then. Come on man what are you thinking. The 2nd amendment is clear. The right to bear arms. It does not mean the right to bear arms only if we don’t mind it!
The people in Washington that are pushing these bills are the reason
we have the right to own guns- – - – to protect ourselves from THEM!
Thats right, and someone else in here made the point I agree with, that the general populace wouldnt have to take on our military, as our military would be siding with us for the right to bear arms, as our military is not the left wing pacifists appeasers that are in office right now. Our military is true Americans, who know the importance of bearing arms, and believe me, they would fight with us the general population to keep this as such. I know, I was one of them. And once one of them, always one of them.
hmm,i wonder what a 12 pnd iron cannon ball would do a goon squad van!
Yes Dell. The 2nd amendment implys that you can own an M1A2 Abrams tank if you can afford it and it’s weapons and ammunition and basically you don’t have to buy it because the 2nd amendment also implys the Federal Government has to supply you with it and the ammunition and give you a place to practice using it. That’s why the Federal Government instituted to National Guard and called it “the Militia”. The Fed doesn’t want to arm the citizen militia and, if you’ve read the Federalist Papers, Thomas Jefferson described the militia as, ” Any citizen not connected to the Federal Government.”. The National Guard is operated by the Fed so it cannot be “the Militia”.
I mention the A1M2 Abrams because it has a 120 mm cannon (smooth bore) which is not a rifle. The 2nd amendment implys you could own an F15 Strike Eagle and all it’s armaments, supplied by the government, if you wanted to and could afford it.
I have found that the government’s policy when dealing with it’s citizens is, “Either don’t tell.”, or “If you do, tell them anything. As long as it’s a lie.”.
“For the first time in history, a civilized country has full registration of of it’s firearms. The streets will be safer…” That was Hitler in 1937. If you know any history you know what happened after that. I talked with a German lady who grew up in those times after Hitler confiscated all the citizen owned firearms. She told me Storm Troopers would kick down doors and take children in their early teens to fight. Nobody could resist because they were unarmed. The children would go and fight because the Storm Troopers would return and murder the child’s family if he refused to fight. She said, “We had no way to resist.”. How ironic that there are people in this country that would allow and even encourage this thing.
The 2nd amendment was written to keep your Evil Uncle Sam out of your backyard but let me ask anyone who thinks this government wouldn’t make war on it’s citizens. What do you think President Clinton and his ghoul Janet Reno were doing to Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge or the Branch Davidian at Waco where the excuse was to investigate child abuse? The government ended up turning those children into toast! They shot Randy Weaver’s son and dog to death and turned his wife’s skull into a canoe, with a head shot, while she was standing in a doorway holding his infant daughter.
There will always be someone working for the Fed willing to kill you because a government official named you a Domestic Terrorist.
And that’s the way it is. The 2nd amendment has nothing to do with hunting or even defending yourself from criminal acts by other citizens. It’s to prevent criminal incursions by the government against it’s citizens. And that’s all folks.
This is my only post. I will not make another.
I lied! One more comment about the government making war on it’s citizens.
The Civil War is the best example of the Federal Government making war on it’s citizens. The Confederated States were exercising it’s 10th amendment right to secede from the Republic. The Fed renamed itself “the Union” and proceeded to make war on the Southern States. Did you know, President Lincoln was ordered by the Supreme Court, twice, to desist and cease from the war? He ignored the order and it was not prosecuted. The rest is history.
I agree. Many people who own firearms have no business owning them but those are mainly people who don’t practice regularly or understand what a dangerous tool a firearm can be. They have succumbed to the “Mule Flu”. The real epidemic flu in the US and the world. What’s another name for a mule? Try ass. These are the people who voted in a Communist government into office last November.
Yes dell,
It does mean that you can have a cannon. I have three. 20th,19th and 18th century vintage, but they all work. I ‘touch one off’ at least four times a year. New Years’ Eve, Memorial Day, Independence Day, and Veterans Day, loaded with packed wet newspaper. They use A LOT of either Goex or Elephant brand FFg black powder which is both messy and expensive. My local law enforcement authorities know full well that I have them, and it is NOT a problem for them. Nor should it be, as I am A LAW ABIDING CITIZEN and a PATRIOT.
When I lived in New York State a few years ago, for a job on Broadway, I took my right to vote with me, leaving my collection of ordnance behind in a sealed, underground vault. As a then constituent of Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY), I wrote to him (via snail mail) posing the following question:
“Senator, after the Nazi holocaust of World War Two, how can ANY JEW be in favor of gun control?”
I’m STILL waiting for a reply… Think I’ll get one? Me neither… I wonder why?
When you go back up a ways and read the comment referring to “chipping away” – you should rethink what you said. Each time a law is enacted taking ANY of our right away – it leads to losing ALL our rights. No one where I live would think for a second about breaking into my home – they KNOW what they’d be facing. I don’t have to use it, I just have to have it and know HOW to use it. And YES, it CAN and WILL happen here, the annihilation of the citizenry, IF WE ALLOW IT. I’m a muzzle-loader, too, and I know VERY well that if someone attacks me with a modern rifle, I have ONE SHOT with my ML. THAT”S scary. I have children – and grand-children – and I have no husband to “defend” me – I have to take care of myself and my own, and you’d better believe I will.
Jeannie: You’re my kind of woman. The world needs more like you.
And that knowing you have one shot will 99 percent of the time keep the criminal away. Most criminals are for this gun control, that way they think they will be the only ones with guns.
OK, if you want to play the muzzle loader card…. What are you doing on the computer? or phone, telegram or tv..
Did our forefathers when they drafted the bill of rights want you to use our tools of communication we have today? Stand outside and wait for the mailman on a horse to send your postage.
daggum,you can’t see the forest for the trees!!!it was’nt about the TYPE of firearms!it was about the average citizens RIGHT to protect himself from tyranny and a abusive government,it was put there as a check to tryanny!FOR the people and BY the people!!!look at the BIGGER PICTURE!they had just thrown off the yoke of a tyrant by the force of ARMS!they wanted to make SURE that WE THE PEOPLE had the means to DEFEND our LIBERTIES by being armed and having the RIGHT to form MILITIAS.they knew what tyranny was!they had seen it.the librals and whackjobs we have in office now FEAR armed and FREE citizens who KNOW their rights as a FREE people and you can bet they are nutty enough to try and do EVERY conceivable ploy and devious tactic they can to dis-arm us,a citizen with a firearm who knows he has the RIGHT to DEFEND HIS RIGHTS is enough to make them shudder as they cannot CONTROL them as they DESIRE to,they KNOW there are thousands and thousands who will DEFEND to their LAST dieing breath their RIGHT to bear arms,and it goes deeper than that,when ONE right is threatened,then ALL of them are threatened.they can’t stand it!they know WE THE PEOPLE are a force to be reckoned with and we PATRIOTS won’t be shut up,silenced,coerced,scared,or back down.
the control socialist just CAN’T STAND IT!!!!!!the founding fathers are with us and their spirits stand beside us and they whisper,don’t give up your arms,we did’nt!
god bless the republic and our FREEDOMS,we are the modern day minutemen who despise being controlled and they have forgot what promulgated the bloodshed from 1861-64!sorry to ramble,but i felt i had to get it off my chest!
RH,
Before you tell people they are spouting nonsense, you should educate yourself. The Second Amendment doesn’t say anything about guns. It says “arms”. And the Constitution has provisions for adding Amendments. The Liberals could call at any time for an Amendment to be added to ban certain arms, but they have not because they know that they couldn’t muster the votes. Until that occurs, like it or not, you Liberals are just going to have to accept the bitter pill.
You must be a left-wing liberal that thinks the Second Admendment means the government has the right to register guns and later take them away. Ask the people, in New Orleans what happened to their guns when government desided to violate their rights and take them away? I moved from California because of high taxes, bad gun laws and the left-wing socialist government.
Thanks JeffH, Whosays, and Robert for the statements you 3 made, seems as though RHSchumann doesn’t know much of his history. You 3 stated it very clear and to the point. This guy reminds me of some of the ones in congress that don’t know the difference between a semi-automatic and a machine gun. Kind of dense between the ears.
Thanks for the articles, I SALUTE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
RHSch. ” No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms” Thomas Jefferson
” Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property” Thomas Paine
Admiral Yamomoto upon signing the surrender of Japan was asked why the imperial forces did not invade the mainland ?. His reply was it would have been a disaster since almost all households have weapons(arms) and know how to use them.\
Look at the crime rate in Australia after disarming it citizens.
I really love the “Gun Free Zones” the bad guys know exactly where to go without fear of being shot..
Mr. Obama…is that you???? How’s that for spouting the anti-gun rhetoric line for line as reported by the left wing media. Be afraid, my friends…there are a lot of people out there who follow blindly like sheep anything and everything reported by the media. Change the channel once in a while and get some info from the “other” side.
RH,
Still thinking this is not Nazi Germany in the making? Are you really as dumb as you sound? You are right, it doesn’t say anything about registration, because there is no reason for me to register my guns. By the way, we have a republican form of government, not democracy. And no, I don’t trust the idiots in Washington, state or local government, especially when they want to disarm me. I am willing to bet your life their reasons aren’t pure, but I’d never bet mine. Fortunately, I was born in a country where I don’t need to carry identification papers on my person at all times, such as they did in Nazi Germany and most of the fascist regimes in Europe.
The drafters of the constitution intended the second amendment to protect us from the likes of the Nazis and Soviets, people very similar to those running this country now.
All I can tell you is go ahead and register your guns, so the government knows where to find you when they come to take them from you. While you may be willing to bow and scrape to Emperor Obama and his minions, I never will. I was born a free man, and will die as one if need be to defend the rights of my family and the freedoms of my country.
This is the United Stats of America, get your heart in, or get your ass out….
RH:
Re your comment: “By equating weapons registration with taking away of weapons shows a deep distrust against and hate of our democratic government.”
A deep distrust? Absolutely. Can you give me any reason to trust a “president” who hates America and takes every opportunity when he visits foreign countries to tell them so? And a “president” and his co-conspirators in congress who trash the Constitution on a regular basis? To be honest, I would not completely trust anyone with the power both the “president” and the congress have.
But hold on. A hate for our democratic government? I cannot agree. On the contrary, the people that hate our democratic government are the president and his co-conspirators in congress. In fact, the reason I will hold onto my guns until the bitter end is that I LOVE my country (or at least the country as organized in the Constitution).
I really have no comment regarding your “Muzzle loading rifles and pistols” except to say that if you carry that logic a bit farther, you have to believe we should still be riding horses rather than driving cars.
Absolute Truth. Absolute History. Thank You
Wow! That’s quite a leap you made……
Wow, DaveH, that’s quite a leap you made there……Some of the people that scare me the most are the people that are the most paranoid…..
Is it paranoid to look both ways when you cross a street? I prefer not to have sand in my eyes.
I am classified as a liberal democrat.I do believe what you said is absolutely correct.I do believe in the right to bear arms.Today’s liberals are not what they say they are.They are for domination pure and simple.We have the right to protect ourselves.I certainly don’t agree with other liberals.WE NEED OUR GUNS1
Thank you,
Thurman
You are an American first. Thank you!
HR45 is still very much alive.
HR45-This bill is in the first step in the legislative process. Introduced bills and resolutions first go to committees that deliberate, investigate, and revise them before they go to general debate. The majority of bills and resolutions never make it out of committee. [Last Updated: Sep 18, 2009 3:14PM]
Last Action: Feb 9, 2009: Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security.
Dave, I like your article. Just remember this when you go vote in 2010 and get rid of all the one’s in Washington that want’s to take the second amendment right away from us. Sticking together we can get rid of the cronies that are against us.
Agreed, I will die a citizen in my front yard before I ever become a subject. The police CAN”T protect us they are scared of their own shadows. The police in my day were MEN not little boys and women, they didn’t play and they didn’t need ten to take down one, if you can’t handle yourself then you should find another job. Bad boys understand two things “BAD” and “RESPECT” you don’t talk down to people. The worst enemy we have as citizens right now are the ELECTED OFFICALS that don’t listen to us. They think they are better than us and they don’t have to listen, we need to vote them out. We need to get rid of the Electoral College Vote and replace it with the POPULAR VOTE. These morons would start listening then! The Constitution can save us if we let it.
Good Post. If we are to remain free we must fight with all we have.
Dave, another thing that should be pointed out is that these other countries/regimes didn’t have the blessing of the United States Constitution to rely on. Ours is under attack but we are GUARANTEED the right to own and bear arms, it is not given to us by our government. When they are allowed by an uninformed public to think this way, then we are truly in trouble. Tell everyone you know to stand in defense of the constitution. This will defeat the “progressives”.
Monkey’s ancestors mustered out of the Continental Army, but most of his family are immigrants from Taiwan. Monkey’s father-in-law who he loves as much as is own daddy was tortured in Taiwan, and his siblings murdered in China. Just because Taiwan’s current parlementary democracy affords its citizens protects similar to ours, and China is getting much better don’t mean it can’t happen again.
Any wonder why monkey likes firearms, belongs to, and supports every gun group? It sure isn’t abut shooting bamby!
This has noting to do with the subject at hand…DIRECTLY…but very important regaurdless.
Isn’t this just great… Illinos Capital of Corruption
Mosque Foundation websitereports that Sheikh Kifah Mustapha recently completed a four day training session in Springfield
Radical Fundraiser Becomes Illinois Police Chaplain
By Editor Thursday, January 7, 2010
Previously on the IPT blog we stressed the need for the Defense Department’s Islamic Chaplaincy program to adopt a stricter vetting process, citing historically radical imams who have served in the program.
Now the same can be said for the chaplaincy program for the Illinois State Police. The Mosque Foundation websitereports that Sheikh Kifah Mustapha recently completed a four day training session in Springfield, Illinois to become the first certified Muslim chaplain for the Illinois State Police.
Mustapha’s name appears on a list of unindicted co-conspirators in the Holy Land Foundation (HLF) Hamas financing trail, which ended with sweeping convictions in November of 2008. On this list he is identified as a member of the Muslim Brotherhood’s Palestine Committee.
There is more to the story…
and I am sure it doesn’t get better
with guns we are citizens, but havent you noticed that the citizen is the new ‘comrade’ and has been for the past five years or so. it has gotten more prevalent, and the meaning is become more clearly socialistic over the past few years.
please forgive me, thank you for your laying out the dates and consequences of gun control.
what of the army exercises that include firing on citizens, women and children that refuse to comply? funny, i cant recall where i heard it or read it, have you heard of such a like?
Criminals will find guns and not adhere to the law. How is taking away our gun rights going to solve that problem? Law abiding citizens are not the real issue here. It’s those who use guns for ill gotten gain. They are focusing on the wrong group of people.
Robin,
They are not focusing on the wrong group of people. They know exactly what they are doing, i.e. to disarm the citizens as fast as they dare. All the other excuses they cite are just a smokescreen to their real goal.
You’re right on the money. It’s all a smokescreen. What’s really happening is the powers that be are going to subjugate America. What’s happened to Americans? Has the educational system stopped teaching history? IT DOES REPEAT ITSELF!, and will here in America if we don’t wake up.
You hit the nail on the head exactly my Friend. Check out the latest History Books. You will be shocked to see what is being instilled in the kids today! NO They don”t teach History any more. It is just watered down “Crap”
What part of when Obama has said that he doesn’t want to take your guns away do you not understand? Why shouldn’t it be harder to buy guns? Please explain why that is a bad thing! Fingerprints? Driver’s license? Social Security Card? Why is that bad?
Guess you’ll take the chip too! RFID anyone! Check out the stats on violent gun crime rates after they take guns from the citizenry…or are facts too hard for you to comprehend? You are welcome to have your entire life programed by the gov or someone else …but I don’t think Americans want that kind of life!
How about tatooing numbers on your gums.
Don words can hurt too so I’m am sure you will not mind when the government ask you to register you first admendment right of free speech. Remember no discussion without government approval…I guess if obama sanctioned it you would support it just like all the rest of the lemmings.
Well,Don this is only a first of many freedoms,We will have,This is a snakes way to make it more easy,For them to know exactly where to go,It saves time when the socialist goverment,Comes to take your guns,Then they are a little more at ease,When they start takeing more of your rights,Just look at these RADICAL TEACHERS,I am 61-yrs old,I have NEVER HEARD ANY PRES.Have this so called innocent singing,With little children in schools,Don,Think about it,Haven’t you seen how the Taliban,Teaches their children!.People in America,Are so naive that this is cute or harmless,They are planning idears,In little children,Like he is some sort of god,Listern to these songs,When you have no protection,You have NO RIGHTS,Look at all the other countrys,That have gun control,Only the politicians,& their GESTAPO,Has guns,One of the ONLY REASONS The terroist don’t just flood over here,Is because,Most of us has guns,Not only for our protection,Against thevies,murreders,hunting,sport shooting,But to defend America if we have to.We are NOT TERROIST LIKE pelosi,reid,holder,& obama,Beleive.We are PROUD AMERICANS,THAT ARE TIRED OF BEING LIED TO,AND TREATED LIKE WE ARE STUPID LITTLE CHILDREN,AND THEY KNOW WHAT IS BEST FOR US,If we lose our guns,I a sure you we WILL LOSE OUR RIGHTS.
Robin- I totally agree with what you wrote. I support AND believe in the second amendment. However, I also believe because of the silence of the NRA on gun violence, that people get freaked out and overreact! They should have
told the folks attending the shout-fests to leave their guns at home or at least keep a low profile.What was the purpose of making such a big show, anyway? Some of these guys make us look bad and then we all will pay the price. A friend of mine-a 30 plus year member- of the NRA won’t be sending his money- he feels they have just gotten too radical and scary-and he is not afraid in the least of losing his weapons.
Your friend has some serious issues to deal with. We, as gun owners or supporters of The Constitution, cannot let government infringe on any of our constitutional rights. The NRA, sometimes may seem radical, but their approach is one of total support of the “right to keep and bear arms”. The anti’s will chip away with little, seemingly unimportant, legislations that will eventually fester into total banning of all guns. That is why the NRA is so adament in supporting the gun owner’ rights, and even the rights of those that don’t own guns.
The NRA has actively helped support and legislate many sensible gun laws to try to keep guns away from the criminals.
The NRA is the most important “pro gun” group in America, and if you don’t like their agenda, there are several other state and national organizations to support that are pro-gun.
Established in 1871, the National Rifle Association is America’s oldest civil rights and sportsmen’s group. Four million members strong, NRA continues its mission to uphold Second Amendment rights and to advocate enforcement of existing laws against violent offenders to reduce crime. The Association remains the nation’s leader in firearm education and training for law-abiding gun owners, law enforcement and the military.
Dollar for dollar I think the Gunowners of America is the best pro-gun group in the nation:
http://gunowners.org/
I am a member of both groups.
Why do you think Obama passed the law to be able to carry loaded guns in Parks? Kinda dumb if he is trying to take them away.
Obama didn’t pass that law eyes. It was a bill that Obama signed in May that permits licensed gun owners to bring firearms into national parks and wildlife refuges as long as state law allows it. The new law, which takes effect in February, will replace rules from the Reagan administration that generally require that guns in national parks be locked or stored in a glove compartment or trunk.
Politically, the move thrilled gun-rights advocates such as the National Rifle Association and outdoorsmen. They generally lean conservative, which may help Obama’s soft standing with centrists and independents. But it certainly didn’t set well with some of Obama’s core Democratic constituencies, environmentalists and gun-control backers.
Obama and crew are not dumb, just devious. The Bill that he signed just applies state rules to the National Parks in that particular state. This would shore up Sotomayor’s contention that the 2nd Amendment does not apply to the states.
Since the Supreme Court affirmed that the 2nd Amendment is indeed a right of the people, and since the National Parks are federally administered, the federal government would be bound by the 2nd Amendment (under Sotomayor’s ruling) thus there would be looser rules for guns then under the Bill.
You both would slice your wrists to prevent from having to admit that Obama did something for us gun owners. Too much, I feel sorry for you as those emotions are not good for your health, and neither one of you are young.
Keep the pity for youself and your anti-American mind. What you have to say is no longer important.
eyes, I am so often reminded by your comments that Halloween is approaching. Have you decided which “costume” you will wear next.
I am sure it will not be a red, white and blue one!
No, JeffH she will probably dress up as Obama!!!!!!!!!!
Ronna, the bottom line is its gonna happen anyway…excuses are easy for the Government. What has to happen, and I’m not optimistic about this, is educating the general population that guns are tools. They don’t kill, people do. I challenge anyone to show how gun control has kept guns out of the hands of a criminal, or protected the average citizen. Gun control has merely made it inconvienient for the criminal and put law abiding citizens at risk.
Criminals don’t buy guns, they steal them. All the registration in the world won’t stop the crooks. Registration is the favorite method of Dictator’s for eventually locating the gun-owners once they have gotten their way and passed anti-gun laws.
An “Armed Society Is a Polite Society”
Taking away a citizens gun rights is total domination. I remember the stories my family has from Germany in the 30′s. My mother is still living, and has said more than once what is happening here reminds her very much of Germany before WWII. Nobody thought it could happen there either.
This isn’t 1930′s Germany.
You’re right Don its 2009 and you can’t even imagine what this “New World Order” has in store for you!
I’ll bet the Germans trusted their government and Hitler back then.
Just keep ‘hoping’ Don. That’s about all there is left when the Big Government types impoverish a nation.
Don, go ahead and keep your head buried in the sand. Mankind has not made some kind of magical evolutionary change since the 1930′s. What happened then can just as easily happen today. In fact, in some parts of the world GENOCIDE IS STILL OCCURRING. Get your damned facts straight!
no,but the paralells are very scary!!!
You are right this isn’t 1933, it’s 2009 and the United Nations and their friends in the New World Order have a plan to remove guns from all all private citizens hands. Check it out and you will find it’s true!!!!!
Great “intellectual ammo” to fight “gun cotrol” is available at http://www.jpfo.org Watch the free films just for starters.
Please click on this link:
http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm#chart
I forgot to say thanks for the site link…kinda puts the idea of gun control in perspective. But NO! This is America and that could never happen here. I’m sure a lot of the dead though that way in those coutries.
Why do we have all these guns? To protect ourselves? Give me a break. The country supports the gun lobby like they support insurance companies and praise big CEO salaries because the general intelligence level of the USA is so low they are marks in a carnival. They buy into what ever the political filth that occupies Washington says. Our moral capacity in this country is so low – whether left or right – I’m surprised the little guy has anything. America is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. And having a gun won’t protect you. Washington slime would just drop a bomb on you to get rid of you. America is pathetic.
Michael, I’m sorry you feel that way about this great country of ours. Please feel free to move to another country! We won’t miss you and I’m sure you’ll fee right at home in any of them. May I suggest Iran or Iraq?
I don’t agree w/ everything he just said, but isn’t our “great” country exactly the place he should be? The right to say what he thinks?
Yes Don, we all have the right to free speech thanks to the first amendment. However, if the second amendment is compromised, the first amendment will be soon to follow.
No, Don, if you disagree they either want to banish you or just kill you outright. There is no patience with the rt wingers for any other ideas or opinions,,,,, sounds a little bit like Germany and Hilter. One Party, One Religion, One thought…. They don’t get it when you shut down one persons freedom you destroy it all.
The statements of an Anti-American.
I THINK EYES IS PART OF BIN LADENS TALIBAN
Yes Michael. They could just drop a bomb, but no government can stay in power for long if the vast majority of the citizens don’t approve.
DaveH– The loyalty of the majority of those entrusted to legislate, uphold and defend the law will do just that. If a new law that is against the constitution is issued then they will uphold it. They want to keep their jobs same as you and I. Why do you think the perks for working for any federal, state or local governmnet has such good benefits. Loyalty has a price and in this country it is starting to go dirt cheap
I agree Vern. Theirs is the biggest gang in the land. But every gang needs a source for their theft. Once they kill the Golden Goose that source is gone.
Here it is in plain english…Amendment II
A well regulated malitia,being necessary to the security of a free state,the right of the people to keep and bear arms,shall not be infringed. That’s it. Simple, straight forward,so easy to understand. It would seem to me that there would be a something lacking in your education if you don’t get it!Our founding fathers wanted us to be able to defend our selves from the likes of the current administation. Thomas Jefferson said ” A society that would give up freedom for security deserves neither” They would make criminals of all of us by changeing the rules. In 2010 we remove thier majority. In 2012 we remove the comunity organizer from “OUR WHITE HOUSE”. Then we will see who gets the right to do what.If we keep standing up in larger numbers,voiceing our disaprovel even louder, we will prevail!!!!Our Declaration of Independence is under attach, as well the Constitution. If we don’t stop it, we will not be free citizens anymore. Free citizens keep and bear arms,slaves do not.
If you think America is so bad there are ships and planes leaving every day and just about every hour. You are more than welcome to leave and the sooner the better.
Mr. Grace,
Your name is not befitting of your rhetoric. Enlightenment is yours to be had if only you’d open your heart to the truth. Fact is, you’re a coward and can’t comprehend a society made great by its uniqueness in the world. Every generation needs a revolution. America is ripe for the picking and those bent on its destruction are salivating like Pavlov’s dogs. Only thing is…WE THE PEOPLE will not let it happen. Gun ownership is a right protected by the Constitution. Americ corrupt…? Yes, I agree, America has become corrupt with people like you whose only pleasure seems to be gained by undermining our sovereignty with radical leftist ideologies all in the name of “fairness”, “equality” and a one world collective body.
101% right on!!!
Michael,
I’m not sure that ‘bombing citizens’ is a sane, sustainable social policy. Certainly killing citizens and blowing up stuff wouldn’t serve any social, economic or environmental end. Certainly it’s arguable that a sufficient number of our volunteer military could be convinced to ‘rain down destruction’ on the brothers and sisters, fathers and mothers, aunts, uncle’s or cousins of their fellow Americans. Likewise with sundry gun owner clubs and associations memberships now numbering in the 10′s of millions, it would be a stretch to suggest that even if the full force of our military could employed, that even the suggestion of using military force against Americans who are ‘fed up’ would be a prudent strategy. Doubtless, there are some in law enforcement who might relish the opportunity to shoot at their fellow citizens, but I would surmise that the small number willing to do so has emotional or self image issues that should preclude their continuing in the law enforcement field anyway. The best practice that can be recommended is for those who oppose gun ownership, to not purchase a gun, and to resist the desire to oppress and undermine the interests of their fellow citizens who choose to responsibly own a firearm. That seems like a win win situation for everbody involved.
I served 20 yrs in US Army. during my time in Kosovo, US troops were missioned to conduct “Cordon and Search” ops, in order to rid the locals of their guns, to establish a ‘safe and secure environment’ even with US Military Intelligence operatives, local national interpreters and even informants, we were never able to get all the guns. this in a region roughly the size of a small US state. now imagine US agents and law enforcement trying to confiscate all the guns in the homes, businesses, backyards etc etc. The Feds could never get enough personnel to enforce it. They would NEVER be able to find all the caches of firearms (I have a cache now). I’m not a right winger extremist, just a Libertarian retired Soldier concerned about Freedom. We will always be Free if we refuse to give up our guns voluntarily. This is what the big goverment Socialist Democrats fear: an armed populace who. I am willing to die for my freedom, are any of you? Best quote: “It is better to die on your feet, than live on your knees” Emiliano Zapata, Mexican Revolution fighter, 1910.
Kudos JP.
maybe you be happy moving your disgruntled posterior to Iran, i would be happy to buy you a one way ticket! are you for real?
Gang fight in back of my home late at night. I called the police. The police never came. I realized then, having a gun might not be a bad idea.
My brother awoke at night one time to find gang violence in his front yard. He called the police. The police never came. Luckily, they all left after beating each other. Maybe a gun isn’t a bad idea.
A friend of my father had to defend himself and his wife from a gang of thugs while at a camping area. They wanted to abuse his wife. Lucky for him, he was packing a pistol and was able to make them leave.
One evening, soon after I arrived home from work, a young woman ran up to my front door screaming for help and was frantically trying to get in my house. She was about to be assaulted by a man whom I threatened as I got her access into my house.
My whole point here is that you may have to defend yourself and you may need a gun to succeed. The police can not be there for you. You can’t always trust the police even if they are there. So, having access to a weapon can be a good thing. We should have the right to bear arms. The government needs to stay the hell out of my home.
Jeff,
The problem is that the government doesn’t get a rat’s butt about our lives. They are concerned only with disarming us so that their lives are safer.
Why would their lives be safer, are you planning a revolution?
Another anti-American statement!
SOUNDS LIKE SHE IS PART OF BIN LADENS TALIBAN OR TALIWACKER
Michael,
If you don’tlike this country thanleave it ! Planes leave every 15 min. I’m sure you and the rest of the libs can do well in france or Russia or any other place . As long as there is money there will be sickness in washingto or any where else! Name any other place as great or that is until the O-man became GOD!
Leave and make everyone happy!!!
Canada is only a few hours away, if it is so bad here, leave.
Chavez would also welcome you with open arms!
Dear Michael Grace,
There is some truth in some of what you expressed, though my experience and beliefs are obviously different than yours. I am an NRA Life Member, Concealed Carry Permit Holder, Republican, Baptist, American, and Oregonian. I have used a handgun to protect my pregnant wife from a rabid stray dog that came into our home – 1 shot ended the attack, and surely saved my unborn daughter’s life. I have used a handgun to protect my business and customers in my office when a meth-crazed stranger tried to rob us using a gun – NO shots fired, police took over 8 minutes after 911 call – and surely saved one or more of the eight innocent people in the room from taking a slug. People like you are NOT the problem. People like ME and others on this board are NOT the problem. CRIMINALS are the problem. Our government and all the public officials are, probably not in our lifetimes at least, are not the problem. CRIMINALS are the problem. Undoubtably, you and I share a common desire — to be left the hell alone and not be victimized and not have some impertinent criminal (government or civilian) impose his will on us. Agreed? I believe that over time, the USA will continue to errode the Second Amendment to the point where we become a “disarmed” nation. That said, in the meantime, the police are the least of our concerns. Civil unrest and chaos will occur, and endure for a long period of time, before the government makes a nation-wide sweep of homes to confiscate our weapons. There are enough law enforcement agents of all types to disarm average citizens. There are NOT enough agents to disarm criminals — they cannot do it now. Many of us want to protect ourselves from THAT, and the law will be on our side to do so, for some time to come. Unfortunately, there are a certain number of people who only understand pain and force. They use it to dominate others, and will only stop when they are on the receiving end. I, and I’m sure you as well, wish that was not so. Owning and using a firearm to prevent or at least challenge that domination is a choice we should each have. I am free to choose a firearm for that end — at least for now. You are free NOT to, and instead, use your intellect, pen, and voice — at least for now. I struggle to understand how rational people acquire such different beliefs about issues, rights, and freedoms. In my view, you and I are not the enemy of each others beliefs. All the apathetic people who do NOTHING are the enemy. Think about all the “good Germans” that did nothing prior to and during WWII, and the ones that just went along with what the Nazi government told them to do. If each one of those citizens had shot just 1 Nazi each, millions and millions of innocent people, countless national landmarks and treasures, and incomprehendable amounts of civilization would have been saved.
God bless you and yours, and all of us.
Kind Regards,
Don
Well said! You are a fine example of the America I grew up in. GOD Bless YOU and the good ole USA!
MichaelGrace: Guns are more than protection. They are also for hobbyists, sportsman, hunters, collectors, target shooters. I like fine guns like an art collector enjoys fine art or the auto enthusiest enjoys fine cars. I have been around guns, owned and been active in collecting and the shooting sports for over 46 years, and have never been threatened by anyone holding a gun. I have a good friend who witnessed a murder in his own house by a gun in the hands of a criminal. He did not need or have a gun. He has since changed his mind about gun ownership by law abiding citizens, and it isn’t the anti-gun group that he supports.
There is more than enogh laws on the books to keep legal guns out of the hands of criminal. Why make laws that could possibly make criminals out of the law abiding citizen.
You seldom hear stories from the media of gun owners who protected themselves or their families from attempted robberies or home invasions. They sensationalize the criminals. There have been instances where if a legal gun owner had been there, the criminal could have been stopped.
I have been in such situations. I own weapons and possess a concealed carry permit good in 20 states. Were I to author a law on the subject of gun control I would ban gun control entirely (actually, we already have such a law). How much violent crime can one imagine occurring if, in fact, all citizens were required to take training and go armed? Would you hold up a place of business knowing that everyone in it was trained to shoot your ass to doll rags? Commit a rape, perpetrate a public massacre? Not likely (no more so than you would attempt to hold up a gun show or a cop bar or a military base). Would there be gun accidents? Likely, just as with automobiles. Would harm to innocents exceed the intentional harm now caused by criminals to unarmed citizens? Not likely.
I agree with you Scott and Iam a liberal democrat.I do believe in the right to bear arms.
Thurman
I agree Scott.
A friend of mine once told me “what if everyone was allowed to carry a gun in their car? I would be afraid to flip people off!”
I said “And that is a bad thing?”
I support Criminal and Mental background checks and also support banning gun control. You can have both. Also, I would support a proficiency test with specific guidlines for safety for all new gun buyers, similar to a hunters safety test.
That is a noble endeavor JeffH, but the government would use the safety requirements to stall gun purchases perhaps indefinitely. As an example look up the history of the training requirements for pilots to carry.
I do think a viable approach would be to safety train all high-school students. That would certainly be more important than some of the other crap they have to learn.
DaveH…you are right. I received my hunters safety cerificate twice because I enjoyed it. One in high school and the second one at my Rod and Gun club. I wasn’t forced to take either course.
And just where the Hell are you from?
Wow! You sound upset. Only I have to agree with you, you’re right. Americans let it get this way. Do you have an viable resolution to the problem?
yes.leave it alone!
The gov is full of criminals now more than ever before…but the people of this Country are the best most generous decent people in the World…too bad you are blind and can’t see that…you’re pathetic!
well I don’t see anyone forcing you to stay here I would be glad to see america haters like you go away
David, your attitude is why your party will be losers for a long time. Who do you think you are trying to evict someone from this country? Maybe when the socialist take over they will kick your butt out…. wouldn’t that be ironic?? LOL
Look very closely into the mirror! You should see the “anti-American” looking back.
damn right!!!!
Mike, you were a city boy, raised just by a Mommy weren’t you?
Michael, the government responds to the gun lobby because WE ARE THE VOTERS. If you don’t like this country, get the hell out. I will buy you the ticket… You can choose Afghanistan, Iraq, or Somalia. Let me know when you want to leave.
The first step in complete control of the people is to disarm them. Check out this website -martiallawsurvival.com. If you have seen any of Glenn Beck’s shows about who’s really running this country, it makes perfect sense.
I’m getting tired of all this fear-mongering, especially about HR 45. It is most emphatically NOT working its way through Congress, slowly or otherwise. It was introduced on Jan. 6, and the last action taken was on Feb. 9! Furthermore, it has ZERO cosponsors! S 1317 was introduced on June 22, with no further action being taken. It, too, has zero cosponsors. C’mon people–quit bleating about the latest (re-cycled) rumors. You can very easily track bills through various websites. One is http://thomas.loc.gov/.
Good point Daniel. I wish more people would use the readily available web-sites to keep track of what their elected representatives are doing.
Here’s one to the House of Representatives (look for roll call votes):
http://clerk.house.gov/
And here’s one to the Senate:
http://www.senate.gov/
It is the continued introduction of these frivilous types of legislation by the anti’s that create the fear. Many mythical emails get circulated that can be confirmed online as myths, and the same about new legislation. A little research goes a long way. Only believe half of what you hear and half of what you read, and none of what you see. Don’t let a lack of research cloud your mind.
Both HR45 and S.1317 are very much alive though referred to commitee.
There needs to be legislation to prohibit known terrorists from aquiring guns through “legal means”. With the mindset of this administration’s Holder, I think that the background check should be ammended to include known terrorists. Holder is more than capable of abusing the intent of S 1317 and blocking legal gun purchasers.
Terrorists don’t care if they acquire their weapons legally or not. The legislation is just another baby-step toward gun-confiscation.
You are 100% right!
Yup, they gave us guns on trains, guns in federal parks, and they are definately trying to take them away. I can just smell it coming. What would make you happy? We win two things that most of us really wanted and all you two do is bith about a conspiracy that is coming. You are a riot!!! Your hate prevents you from even acknowledging that we got consessions. Enjoy your hate mongering conspiracy, I am going to enjoy knowing that I have two additional rights I didn’t have before.
Another mindless response by the consumate anti-American.
Isn’t someone supposed to lead you to water as soon as they pull a carrot from the garden?
oh,yeah,like all the bills in the so called ”stimulus” bill?beleive what you want from this administration,you think they are going to open air every thing they do?hah hah hah,obama is a liar and many others,LIARS!you actually BELEIVE what you find on a website run by THIS administration!they’ll only show you what they want you to see!get real and RESEARCH yourself,don’t relie on ANYTHING this administration has to say,THEY’RE ALL DECEIVERS AND LIARS!they have PROVED that already!
I am Sick of the politicaly correct crowd of idiots in this country their brains are no more than a brief methane bearing Fart , the only reason this country is a free nation is 2 things , Christian Based Originaly an Guns with people who arent affraid to use them when needed , May God Bless the Evil in accordance with their deeds , an you can have my guns BULLETS FIRST ! COME GET EM ,because that is theo nly way its gonna happen
Good one Tank. I and alot of others where I live think’s the same way
didnt christ have something to do with a revolution against the established church of rome or soemthing? didnt he bust up the vendors tables at the temple steps? christian, the original, were rebels werent they, and somewhere in history, even their religion got re-written for the control of the masses and the supremacy of the roman powers. the message seemed to get lost over time.
well, it happened then [i believe] and its happening now.
in the schools, and in the programs.
there is good in any religion, thats one of the reasons [i believe] that freedom of religion is in the constitution. it is twisted by the powers that be.
freedom of speech,it is manipulated and twisted by the main media
and the right to bear arms – we can see where that is going if we dont stop it…
AND THAT IS BY OUR VOTES AND OUR VOICES. I WANT TO KNOW NOT HOW TO WHINE ABOUT WHAT IS WRONG, BUT HOW TO DO SOMETHING TO CHANGE THIS TREND BEFORE IT IS TOO DEEPLY INGRAINED IN THE LAWS OF OUR SOCIETY.
As long as the U.S. Constitution allows me via the second amendment to own guns I will. I am sure that will remain in place. If and only if we have a constitutional convention. that results in a change to the second amendment. That is ratified by the proper number of states will I relinquish my firearms. I do not break the law now and will comply if it is changed. I wont live long enough to have that happen. So if they want them they will have to kill me. Yours truly Glenn C. Ford
It remains a fact that legislation, even that which has no co-sponsors, has a way of being ‘attached’ without notice to some larger ‘must pass’ legislation, or often ‘tacked on at the last minute’ to some ‘omnibus’ legislation. House and Senate members oppose attempst to pass ‘read the bill’ legislation for fact that it would provide a ‘heads up’ to their constituents about what’s actually in the legislation that most of these politicians haven’t even read. Far from being paranoid or delusional, it makes good sense for citizens to watch any legislation that runs contrary to our constitutional interests or that might ‘be slipped into some other legislation’ at the last minute.
Ed,
Probably a good place for us to start would be to put immense pressure on our representatives to keep any bills short and simple. I know that is a tall order as the lawyers in Congress love complexity (full employment for lawyers) but we can stop that crap if we work together.
You are correct DaveH. Do not be afraid to voice your opinion, whether in support or opposition.
People wanted a change … they have it!!!
“Onward Christian Soldiers”!
Wonder if Bill Ayers owns any guns??
The antigun crowd has a advocate in the Whitehouse, they are feeling their oats but the Constitution stands in their way, it realy annoys them and the plans to circumvent this law will be done by mandate, legislation that will impair ownership by increasing cost and a lot of behind the closed doors legal wrangling to bypass the courts. This is the way the lib gun crowd does everything because they know Constitutional Law is their biggest obstacle, they could care less about hearts and minds, their modus operendai is ulterior and diversion in order to distract and flank.
The best plan to counter these clowns is outright exposure and as much publicity as those who advocate legal gun ownership can muster, these people who sneak around in the back alleys of the legal field are not prone to having their agenda exposed, they know it is poisonus to their goal and will lose support once they try and argue a point. They have little real amunition to make a point and the evidence against them is voluminous with expmples from all over the world, their aim is nothing more than unopposed control and that damned Constutional Law mashes their plans.
I believe the government radicals are afraid of us. I believe they are using the rhetoric to deceive us into giving up our rights. Then, when there is no way to defend ourselves, they are going to eliminate us, or dictate as Sadaam Hussein once did, as well as Hitler.
I am a 75 year old woman who has never fired anything but a shotgun. However, my husband owns a hunting rifle and I am seriously considering buying a handgun and a shotgun because I am alone much of the evenings whilst my husband works security. We also own a 100+ pound Anatolian Shepherd and I still do not feel safe, living as we do less than 1/4 of a mile from railroad tracks. I resent anyone telling me I cannot own a gun, nor what kind of gun I can own. This must be stopped. Shades of Adolph Hitler! We must not allow this to happen to us.
You go girl.
Patricia,
I am very physically capable of defending myself, but I still feel much safer having a gun around. I can’t even imagine how scary it must be for people who aren’t.
Don’t worry brave little soldier, there are hundreds of millions of people who live every day without packing heat. You’ll survive.
Normal Guy, Typical liberal logic. You don’t own a gun so you think no one else should either, right?
Normal,
See Eyes comments on gun deaths or look up your own. Many of those might be alive today if they were able to protect themselves. I believe those who have made it difficult to arm oneself are accessories to those murders.
As far as bravery goes, what is your reason for wanting gun-bans? It certainly isn’t because you’re brave.
What I don’t understand is how you are drawing the conclusion that requiring registration and fingerprinting is going to take away your rights to gun ownership. Wouldn’t anyone in their right mind want to know that we are all a bit safer because we can identify the criminal elements. If you have nothing to hide and are stable what exactly is the problem here..? Your arguments against this legislation don’t make much sense.
Kat O,
First of all it’s just another chip in the block. A little bit at a time is what they want to do. Are the criminals going to register their guns? No just the honest people. Do you think a criminal who is breaking into your house to kill your family is going to care whether they have an unregistered gun and they are breaking the law by possessing this gun? It’s a way of the government to track the law abiding citizens who have guns. They won’t be able to track the criminals. And it will just make the black market for gun sales to increase. If the world was perfect we would not need them, but it’s not and there are evil people out there so we have to do what we can to protect our family and our property.
I agree Chris. And anyone in their “right mind” would know that registration doesn’t mean doo-doo to a crazed killer. Anyone ever heard of a file? Registration is for one and only one purpose – to allow the government to find the gun-owners easily when they round up our weapons.
Apparently the anti-gun crowd think the criminals purchase their guns legaly and putting more restrictive laws on us honest folks will deter the criminals. Who will have the last laugh when criminals are the only ones left with guns?
Answer: The criminals
Kat O,
Respectfully,
Please take the time to do a brief study of history. It is obvious you don’t understand where registration and finger printing of gun owners ends. To believe the U.S. doesn’t have individuals with goals very similar to Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, or Mao is naive (past presidents have even used the term, “New World Order”. Please see recent history regarding England and Austrailia………………crime rates rose, not declined after gun confiscation; which is eventually what would happen in the U.S. were we ever to register our guns. The Constitution is clear (see also The Federalist Papers) that gun ownership is an individual right.
Kat, it is not the actual registration and fingerprinting that alarms those of us who want to protect our right to ‘keep and bear arms…’. It is the administrative morass that will come with it. Look at the provisions the anti-gun lobby is proposing! The measure of reasonableness for restricting gun ownership is that the privelege of owning a firearm should be no more difficult to obtain than a driver’s license.
I personally feel that the states should be given the task of any such regulation since they already have the infrastructure in place to administer and track drivers. How about gun ownership as an endorsement on your driver’s license?
Incidently, I do not currently own a firearm. But if any of this Communist / Nazi legislation passes I will be certain to stock up.
John, by then it may be too late. The time to stock up is now. I have noticed that the price of .223 long rifle ammo has almost doubled in price in the last few months. You can be conspiratorial and say that the Feds have slipped a stealth tax in on us, or you can be logical and say that the firearms dealers are getting greedy and taking advantage of the times.
Kat, why do you assume that criminals will register their guns. That’s exactly why they’re called CRIMINALS. Only honest people obey the law.
Kat, it’s the very first step towards an orchestrated confiscation against law abiding citizens….that is the truth.
What an absurd statement. Do you really think the criminal will registar his or her gun. Call your local police dept. and see what they say.
That is so people who have firearms can be identified. Once it’s known who has the weapons then it’s just a matter of taking them away. Criminals won’t do the same and will deny ownership of firearms while continuing to keep them in their possession. Steps of limiting ammo sales, and making people identify the types of firearms that they posses through ammo purchases is another way of tracking who has what. Believe me Liberals want to know who has what and how much, Why is that? Is there an agenda behind it? Think people.. The socialist movement is on. After that complete control by the few who want total power.
KAT O,
Please read my posting at 8:48 am today. It might give you some insight as to why weapons registration and control is unjustified in any free society.
Kat… I will point out that before one legaly purchases a gun, they have to provide proper ID, leave a thumb print and fill out a fovernment form and go through a national background check. All this happens before they can take posession of any gun. That is supposed to stop those prohibited from owning a gun. It is more than enough.
KatO, let me introduce you to reality. There are three main groups that need to be watched in any Second Amendment issue. First, we have criminals who are not concerned with constitutional rights. Second, we have career criminals in Congress. Third, we have two people in the White House who have no use for the Second Amendment. Now, what don’t you understand?
If you’re not on drugs, then your ideas are at best naive. Kindly wake up to what is going on around you. This is reality. Domestic enemies have been scheming for many years, and they are waiting for the right moment to enslave America any way they can do it. Wake up!
S.C.
My friend in Il. sent me this link. Looks like the Repubs are selling us out. http://www.icpgv.org/pdf/2009_polling_Fact_Sheet_FINAL.pdf.
crap the eyes are going. http://www.icpgv.org/pdf/2009_Polling_Fact_Sheet_FINAL.pdf
Sorry, please use link below,
Where do you get that the Repub. are selling us out? This is a poll from Illinois. It already is a Federal law that everyone MUST go through a background check when buying a gun, whether through a private transfer or an FFL dealer. YOUR POINT?
Jeff, you are complaining about getting registered, fingerprinted and you are happy with a background check? You are happy about having to notify the government that your gun is missing? What happened to your “I want the government to stay out of my business”? So you are happy with them making you go through a background check and letting them know that you may have lost your gun, or had it stolen? That really sound like the government is staying out of your business!!
I missed something. Where did I say I was happy about it? I didn’t!
S.C.
What really gets my blood boiling is that 70% of the NRA members also approve of it!! What do you think is going on?
You have confused me once again. What are you talking about? 70% of the NRA has approved what?
All please watch this. This is what the 2nd amendment really means.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis&feature=PlayList&p=9911D6A71D3BEE89&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=38
That is a great video. Have seen it before but am happy that you posted it so I could see it again. My heart goes out to her.
That video says it all.
you just don’t understand this administration!they are in my opinion the enemy of EVERY free minded patriot who will not budge from their stance and refuse to be silenced or coerced and beleive in the constitution as BELONGING TO THEM!this administration is filled with left wing radicals who want to catalog and make lists,the damn nazis liked lists as well,they had lists for EVERYTHING,who you know,where your from,your religious background,political background,damn,they wanted to know when you peed last.this administration gives me the freakin willies!they are obsessive about lists as well.study up on the BOOKS and liturature obama has read,read his book,when yah do,you’ll change your tune!
He said, “Beware of the Leaven” It’s pervasive…almost secretive in its effect. This Progressive Democratic Movement has been advancing for a very long time…..it appears to be developing into some strange form of Dialectical Materialism…Curious! As For Me…God Bless The Constitution!!!
I think that Freedom cannot be inherited or bestowed, but rather, it must be guarded and defended each and every day. That means to be vigilant to any lawmakers who will pass under the table laws that will infringe upon our Second Amendment Rights. I do not and will not obey any Unconstitutional Law that might be passed. WE THE PEOPLE Are The Law Via Our Representatives who had better be representing us properly. If they do not, there will be a reckoning at the polls. The Military has a saying, “PEACE THROUGH VIGILANCE”. Certainly that applies in the civilian world also. Be watchful as to what your government is doing, for apathy will destroy our precious FREEDOM!!! It would be very foolish to believe that the world will one day have no more Hitler’s or Husseins, etc. They have been among us since time began and unfortunately, will be present in our future.
This issue to slowly steal our gun rights by the anti-gun rights people, makes one realize that these type of people live in a rose colored world where there are no evil people set out to prey upon us. That is not reality, and never will be!! The physically weaker person has every God Given right to live and subsequently, has a right to defend themselves via an equilizer/weapon. This is Not complicated.
Be Vigilant and Involved !!!
I hope that, in some ways, this country is going through a re-birth.
Sometimes someone (Obama Administration) will come along and wake up
America’s citizens. The price is high because we have been so complacent! We trusted our elected officials way too much. Like a child, they kept their hands in the cookie jar until there was nothing left, and they got caught. Americans everywhere are starting to notice (feel) the pain of our own mistakes. We are the only ones that can “force” a change. VOTE in 2010, and let us make wise decisions. The Constitution makes more sense to me today than it ever has, and the foresight of our founding fathers has never been more evident than it is today.
Yes, we need to vote out all incumbents in the primaries who have not fought to obey the Constitution. Keep only the ones like Ron Paul who have consistantly protected the Constitution. That doesn’t leave very many incumbents.
i legally own guns and if anyone tries to take them away, i will shoot them, end of discussion.
I am so tired of the looney Libs trying to beat down this country by taking all our hard won freedoms and denigrating the U.S. Constitution and the Christian heritage that founded our beloved country. If they don’t like it here, then leave, make your own country and live it as the immoral morons that you really are!
UN-LESS YOU WISH TO DO ME WRONG, YOU SHOULD NOT FEAR THAT THAT I AM = 0R MAY BE ARMED, THIS STANDS FOR NEARLY ALL FIRE-ARM OWNERS==AND FOR ALL 99.99 PERCENT THAT LEGAL FIREARM OWNERS.. AND REMEMBER WE MAY SAVE YOU WITH OUT ONE SOME-TIME
Perhaps the current administration and it’s followers should focus on railroad ties in Chicago.
OVER 60 YEARS AGO I BOUGHT A GUN AT A GUN SHOP. MY RECORD WAS AND STILL IS SQUEAKY CLEAN. IT TOOK AT LEAST 2 WEEKS BEFORE THEY WERE ABLE TO LET ME HAVE THE GUN. I AM GOING ON 82 YEARS OLD AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN A TIME THAT LAWBIDING CITIZENS NEEDED A RIGHT TO CARRY MORE THAN TODAY. THEY ARE KILLINGS ABOUT EVERY WEEK HERE. GANG VIOLENCE IS GOING UNCHECKED. INSTEAD OF WORRYING ABOUT GUNS THEY SHOULD BAN GANGS AND ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
That would mean banning the biggest gang in the country – the Federal Government.
For those of you who care to check these bills out, you will find that Livingston reports (as usual) a bunch of lies and distortions. I am a Republican, and fully realize that such lies only defeat the Conservative cause.
Bill…you really don’t understand the reason for this or any other of the Livingston atricles. At one time or another, they weren’t lies, and they are written for discussion by all. There is a lot of rhetoric and also a lot of truths brought out in the comments. One can certainly get a feel as to the viewpoint of all involved.
Something about gun control is on Glen Beck today. Should be interesting.
Glenn Beck is an insult to the intelligence of this nation.
don’t presume to tell me what insults me!it’s just like you libs to try and speak for EVERYBODY,as if you think EVERYBODY has to follow and beleive as you do,well let me tell you something,i’ll be the judge of what i beleive or not,NOT YOU,glenn beck is dah man,you libs can’t stand em cause he open airs the nafarious screwy twisted plans you whacko’s try and do,and like the cockroaches you are,you can’t stand the light and look for a rock to scurry under so you can plot and scheme some more,again,don’t presume to tell me what i think!
I’d be willing to bet that if the Dems can get Obamacare passed, firearms will be quickly declared “a public Health Hazard” and a ban sought on the basis of Public Health. We must mobilize and VOTE these Obamanations out of Congress in 2010. get registered to Vote and let’s turn over Congress, we did it during the Clinton admin, let’s do it again, but sent the Repubs our thoughts on Govt. spending.
As a Ex Scotsman from Edinburgh Scotland UK which has had a very strong Gun Restrictions and it is impossible for normal people to even think of owning and kind of Firearms.
Visiting my Homeland earlier this year I was surprised and shocked with the amount of Gun related crimes from Murders, Robbery, and criminal activity. It is very difficult for the politicians and Law Enforcers as well as the Goodie Goodie people to demand that all guns need to be collected from all of the good People as they do not own any guns!! It is also very interesting that all the criminals are really paying attention to the Gun Restrictions laws??
Most of the Gun related Incident’s are caused by illegal/legal immigrants as the UK have had a very loose restrictions on Immigration and now most of the UK Citizens are slowly being made the minority.
Gun Control and Universal Health Care are from the same double shot shotgun. These left-wing liberal socialist think that if they think they can get control of our health care and guns, they can control us. They are right.
I have a question to ask everyone who is in favor of a “so-called Assault Weapon Ban.” “What is an Assault Weapon”? I thought the military were the only ones with Assault Weapons. Just because a gun is semi-automatic doesn’t make it an Assault Weapon.
We must fight for our freedoms every day.
GOOD ARTICLE BOB! JOIN THE NRA, IF NOT ALREADY A MEMBER.
I know the NRA is not perfect, but it all we’ve get between them and us.
Joe,
Read this link and then say that!! http://www.icpgv.org/pdf/2009_Polling_Fact_Sheet_FINAL.pdf
Once again, what does this link have to do with this discussion?
It is irrelevant to this discussion, as I am sure that most of us accept the current “required” background check.
NO GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE, STAY OUT OF OUR LIVES, what happened to your mantra? Hard to keep them out? Really isn’t very realistic is it? But it sounds good when you scream it!! LOL.
You are a bonified IDIOT! I have to accept what is in place today, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be changed tomorrow or I have to like it.
As a Ex Scotsman from Edinburgh Scotland UK which has had a very strong Gun Restrictions and it is impossible for normal people to even think of owning and kind of Firearms.
Visiting my Homeland earlier this year I was surprised and shocked with the amount of Gun related crimes from Murders, Robbery, and criminal activity. It is very difficult for the politicians and Law Enforcers as well as the Goodie Goodie people to demand that all guns need to be collected from all of the good People as they do not own any guns!! It is also very interesting that all the criminals are really paying attention to the Gun Restrictions laws??
Most of the Gun related Incident’s are caused by illegal/legal immigrants as the UK have had a very loose restrictions on Immigration and now most of the UK Citizens are slowly being made the minority.
WHY ARE WE TRYING TO GIVE ALL THE CRIMINALS THE RIGHT TO CARRY FIREARMS AND TAKE THE FIREARMS FROM ALL OF THE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS??
I am adamantly and unwaveringly opposed to HR 45 – Blair Holt Firearms Licensing and Registration Act of 2009 and any and all other legislation in either house of Congress which has the effect of abridging an American’s right to keep and bear arms.
I have also been advised that President Obama is pushing for Senate ratification of a weapons treaty, signed by Bill Clinton, that would identify American gun owners to foreign nations and give them the power to extradite and prosecute American citizens under their laws. If this is true DO NOT LET IT BE RATIFIED!!!!
As a citizen of the United States, I do hereby demand that you vote NO on every unconstitutional bill to ban, confiscate, or limit ownership of any firearm by any American. I also demand you fight any attempt by the administration, the Justice Department, the Department of Homeland Security, or any other agency to skirt the constitution or the law to do the same.
The Founding Fathers knew exactly what they were doing when they wrote the Second Amendment — they were giving the people to right to defend themselves against all threats — including the threat of an oppressive government. IN FACT, THE ONLY REASON A STATE OR NATIONAL GOVERNMENT COULD HAVE FOR INSTITUTING GUN CONTROLS, REGISTRATION OR LIMITATION OF OWNERSHIP OF A WEAPON IS TO PREPARE FOR AN OPPRESSIVE GOVERNMENT. Any rhetoric attempting to justify any weapons control or limitation serves only to advance the disarmament and enslavement of the citizenry. Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo and many others throughout history have proven this to be true.
AN ARMED MAN IS A CITIZEN, CAPABLE OF DEFENDING HIMSELF, HIS FAMILY, AND HIS COUNTRY AGAINST CRIMINAL AND TERRORIST ELEMENTS. A DISARMED MAN IS A SUBJECT OF THE STATE, INCAPABLE OF DEFENDING HIMSELF OR HIS COUNTRY.
The most common justification for gun control is that if guns were outlawed, everyone would be safer because guns are not allowed. NOTHING COULD BE FARTHER FROM THE TRUTH. Criminals will get the weapons they want, up to and including full-automatic guns, and they will be assured their victims will offer little or no resistance because they are unarmed. This makes their job much easier and the policeman’s job much more dangerous.
Mexico has a ban on guns and we can see first-hand how much effect that has had in reducing violent crime in that country. There are gang-land executions there every day, usually involving police, federal soldiers and officers, or politicians who do not readily cooperate with the gangs and drug cartels. Civilians are also frequently kidnapped for ransom or slave trading (Yes, slavery is still alive in this world) to fund their operations.
Australia enacted a gun ban and forced the surrender of over 640,000 personal firearms to be destroyed by the government, costing Australian taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.
One year after this ban on personal ownership of guns went into effect homicides were up 6.2%, assaults were up 9.6%, and armed robberies were up 44% Australia-wide. In the state of Victoria alone homicides with firearms went up 300% as compared with the last one-year period when ownership of a firearm was legal. (The law-abiding citizens turned in their guns, the criminals did not).
In the 25 year period prior to the confiscation of privately owned guns there was a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms while in the year following this confiscation there was a dramatic increase in armed robbery, break-ins, and assaults on the elderly while the resident are at home. The Australian government has assured the criminal that his victims are unarmed.
Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in ‘successfully ridding Australian society of guns.’
The only responsible approach to weapons is to EDUCATE the people in the proper use of, and possible consequences of, whatever weapon they may possess. A super-majority of the States now have Right to Carry laws and most of those, still a super-majority of the States, have reciprocity agreements with the other states that allow responsible law-abiding citizens to carry their weapons across state lines and maintain their level of personal protection against any criminal, terrorist, or foreign threat.
There will always be a criminal element in society that seeks to steal from, control, intimidate or kill others in the community, but the over-hyped dime novel and Hollywood version of our ‘lawless wild west’ is not true. The vast majority of the people who own and use weapons are peaceful citizens who use those weapons to provide food for their families and defend themselves from violent criminals. This was true then and it is true now. Artificial regulations do not change these facts, they only serve to strengthen the criminal element in society.
What is at stake here is our freedom and our future as American citizens. One of the biggest deterrents to an armed invasion of the United States is not our military, which is indeed formidable, but our armed civilian population. This was opined by Isoroku Yamamoto during World War II when he said he would not want to invade the United States because there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.’ That is the true strength and security of this nation.
What an interesting and well-thought-out commentary. It’s a pleasure to read an opinion that is not retaliatory, but rather, one that seeks to inform and causes the reader to actually think. Thank you. (Ah, before I actually posted this, I did a little Googling and now understand why your commentary was so well written and informative.)
I agree with evrything you said, what I don’t understand is why you have a problem with a bill that wants to prevent the sale of firearms to people who are on the terrorist list? I also don’t believe that known felony’s, drug dealers, sex offenders etc. should be able to own or deal in guns legally. What is wrong with a law forbiding that type of sales? I have a carry permit and had been a member of NRA for 40 years up until this year. I no longer support the NRA but do support the right to own and carry a firearm. I would like to know why you would allow terrorists to deal in arms?
This link is an example of why I don’t support the NRA anymore.
http://www.icpgv.org/pdf/2009_Polling_Fact_Sheet_FINAL.pdf
This link has no real meaning, other than the poll shows that Illinois supports the background check, for all firearm trasfers.
National crime surveys show that people who use guns to defend against violent crime are less likely to be injured than all other victims. A study for the Department of Justice found that 40% of felons do not commit crimes if they believe victims are armed.
“Gun Control” Doesn’t Work
Studies by or for the Congress, the Department of Justice, the Congressional Research Service, the Library of Congress, the National Academy of Sciences, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have found no evidence that “gun control” reduces crime, suicides or accidents in the U.S. or abroad.
More Guns, Less “Gun Control,” and Less Crime
There are more guns (at least 250 million) and gun owners (70-80 million) in the U.S. than ever. During the last decade, “gun control” has been significantly reduced. Forty states have Right-to-Carry. The federal waiting period on handguns ended in 1998, in favor of the NRA-supported national instant check. Congress refused to renew the Clinton Gun Ban, allowing it to expire in 2004. All states have hunter protection laws, 47 have range protection laws, and 47 prohibit cities from imposing gun laws more restrictive than state law. Congress and 33 states have prohibited frivolous lawsuits against the firearm industry. Since 1991, total violent crime is down 38%, murder is down 42%, and robbery is down 45%.
All those guns and we aren’t any safer?? Why not?
eyeswideopen if you haven’t figured it out by now, you never will!
And it ain’t the legal gun owners that are the problem.
Ewo, do you realize that as a republican and ex-member of the NRA, you probably ARE on the terrorist watch list held by Eric Holder’s greasy little fingers? Havn’t you listened to Janet Napolitano’s rants?
Michael, I have been on many lists. I grew up in the South when it was predominately Democratic. I was a republican radical, who joined the womens movement, burned my bra and protested in the streets to stop the Viet Nam war. My first job was as a Tax auditor with IRS. I worked for a major company who had various government contracts,since I was a budget analyst I went through extensive background checks. Since I was a Republican, I didn’t believe in capital punishment, which caused me much grief in Texas, who used to shoot escaped convicts.In 1988 I voted for Ron Paul, and then started to believe in the right of women to do with their bodies what they wanted to. I was close to becoming a Libertarian at that time. That party seemed to be more Christian than my mine was. Live and let live, with very little judgement of others was appealing. I have had my phone tapped more times than I care to admit. I have been stalked by a Federal agency due to an association with someone. I know I’m on a list, that’s why I went ahead and registered my gun, they know me and where I am. And your point is? LOL.
Dear EWO, my point is the question that, what is the current administrations definition of terrorism, and who are the people now being placed on that list. I don’t think you are a terrorist, do you?
Although I do not agree with most anything you post elsewhere, on this topic our views appear to be closely parralel.
P.S. hope you were not wearing that garment when you burnt it.
Eyeswideopen, I don’t support not selling to people on the terrorist list because if it was up to Eric Holder, anyone who opposes Obama would be on that list.
I can think of no faster way for the liberals to complete their current slide into political oblivion (which is happening even now in Europe, incidentally) than to alienate the millions of American citizens who lawfully possess and carry firearms – and who defend themselves successfully tens of thousands of times a year with those same firearms.
There are always a few kooky anti-gun bills circulating in Congress, but even the more moderate liberals know that they would finish cooking their political goose by supporting them.
PEOPLE WHO GO CRAZY AND KILL TEN OR FIFTEEN PEOPLE AND THEN KILL THEMSELVES DONT CARE IF THEY BREAK ONE GUN LAW OR FIFTY GUN LAWS, OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE NOT IN THEIR RIGHT MIND. THESE POEOPLE WHO DO THESE ACTS ARE A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION (LESS THAN 1/4%) SO PASSING MORE GUN LAWS WON’T STOP CRAZY PEOPLE FROM GOING POSTAL, ALL IT DOES IS MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR LAW ABIDDING CITIZENS TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM CRIMINALS. ARE THE GUN CONTROL ADVOCATES SO STUPID THAT THEY DON’T RELAIZE THIS? LOOK AT THE FACTS IN OTHER COUNTRIES WHERE THEY HAVE DISARMED THE CITCENS BREAKINS AND RAPES AND ROBBERIES WENT UP DRASTICALLY. AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION WE ALREADY HAVE TO BE FINGERPRINTED TO BUY GUNS. YOU PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW THE FACTS AND MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON LOGIC AND REASON, NOT EMOTION AND UNREALISTIC IDEALS LIKE MOST LEFT WING LIBERAL DEMS. OBAMA AND HIS CABINET DON’T HAVE ENOUGH BUSINESS EXPERIENCE TO RUN A DAIRY QUEEN, BUT THEY ARE RUNNING THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD RIGHT INTO THE GROUND. HE IS AN IDIOT KISSING UP TO ALL THE ARAB LEADERS AND APOLOGIZING FOR AMERICA. AMERICA HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE FIRST COUNTRY TO STAND UP FOR FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY AROUND THE WORLD BY LAYING DOWN THE LIVES OF OUR MILITARY MEN AND WOMEN. WE SHOULD NOT APOLOGIZE TO ANYONE! OBAMA IS A TRAITOR AND SHOULD BE IMPEACHED!
I’m on the same page as you…need to suggest, though, that you do not post in ALL CAPS. Doncha know that’s like you’re shouting?
For those of us who have vision problems, they are easier to read. I do know about the shouting part, but I still like reading them.
I think he is shouting..by goly!
tell that to JOHN HANCOCK!when somethings important,SAY IT LOUD!
I think it’s the members of Congress who bring up these bills that have to educate themselves as to what it takes in order to buy a gun now.
with so many illegal guns on our streets today, who’s to say people wont turn to the black market for guns. everybody knows you can buy guns on the streets today, how will they ever stop this from going on. I believe 70% or more of our politicians believe in the gun laws and lets hope they see through all the hooplala so this sorry legislation don’t pass remember there is always peace amoung the crowds when everybody is able to own guns good example Arizona state there you can openly bear arms and they have a low crime rate even though it is a border state.
every legal usa citizen should be required to train and own a gun. no gun of any type shold be banned – military (automatics) should be able to be owned by citizens. the gov’t should issue a certificate for a newgun for every newborn citizen. a law should be established that states anyone or any party attempting to change. modify or alter the usa constitution is a trator of the usa, should be tried as a trator and when convicted – death penalty by firing squad. a lotto of interested citizens will be used to determin the makeup of the squad.
You must be a “left wing” radical!
Now you’ve gone overboard. There are an awful lot of us who wouldn’t touch a gun, but are glad there are citizens who are willing, able and want to own them in order to defend not only themselves but the rest of us. I am thankful such people live in this country,
Have you ever heard of the Bill of Rights — the first 10 amendments to the Constitution? Or are you opposed to the Bill of Rights? Are you opposed to the 13th amendment that abolished slavery? Do you know what an amendment is? It’s a modification (change) to the Constitution. You have major rage issues which are clouding your ability to think and reason. If you have health insurance, you should seek professional help.
Richard, or Dick I should say is pulling your leg people. Don’t you get it? RICHARD CRANIUM = DICK HEAD
Richard,
That is really over blown.I support gun rights,not to impose my beliefs on others.To own a gun or not to own a gun,that is up to the individual.
i say again as i always do on this subject Fellow citizens goggle dickact 1902 Yes this is on the books it was put in place to put big gov in its place
Please know that the reason for the second amendment was for us to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government…like the one we have now! Take the guns away, the crime rate skyrockets. Check out England and Australia. Then…Switzerland. Now THEY have the right idea.
I worked for the police department in Las Vegas, and…trust me…all the cops loved it when a homeowner ended a break-in with a shot from their gun.
I agree with Ted Nugent. The second amendment is my right to carry.
Nugent.wmv
Love it!
Cathy, you are not the first cop I have ever heard this from. It is nice to know that you and many of your fellow officers feel this way.
I am sure that many in our military and National Guard units are Americans and support your and my views.
This Congress and this President are intent on distroying our Constitution. The Socialist Democrats who are in charge now see gun control, socialized medicine, energy control to help “save the planet”, and many other issues designed to “help” everyone as a means to an end. Their end game is to control through power the best nation in the history of the world and to go down the road to fascism. Thats right, I said it, the Democrats are Nazis. The Nazi party in Germany stood for “National Socialism” not some right wing extremist, but left wing. Hitler said it over and over again himself in his rantings, and was praised and exalted for being some sort of savior. The same thing is happening now with Obama.
We, thank God, have the Constitution which our forefathers passed down to us through the decades and centuries. Did they foresee assult weapons? Probubly not, but the second amendment states “right to bear arms” not rifles, handguns, or canon. For that matter, arms can be pitchforks, kitchen knives, axes, or a car. The point is that the founding fathers knew that an armed citizenry would be best equiped to fight off tyranny. They knew that tyranny rears its ugly head every so often, and they wanted our nation to be ready for it whenever it occured. Now is one such time. I for one am proud that so many of us have firearms and know how to use them if need be. I beleive that this is the only reason that the Nazis haven’t made their final move yet. God willing, we will last until the next election cycle a year from now, and we can get rid of these vipers. But if not, many of us are ready.
The gun rights thing is a fraud.
The constitution says ‘to insure a well regulated militia’, AKA national guard. Beyond that, all guns are fair game. The present situation is a perscripton for desaster.
Grover, if a militia is ever needed, there are enough gun owners out there to form one. Be glad they’re there.
Grover…I would say that your line of thought is a “perscripton for desaster”. You might be willing to give up your freedom, but there is a whole bunch of us that do not agree!
Grover, what about the line right after that one that says: “The right of the people to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed”
Michael J., don’t confuse people like Grover with facts. That only confuses them and makes them hysterical. Let them live in their own little world!
Grover, GET YOUR DAMNED FACTS STRAIGHT. US law puts all able bodied males between the ages of 18 and 45 in the militia (up to 65 for military veterans).
Websters’ has several definitions of Militia, including:
1. The whole body of able-bodied male citizens declared by law as being subject to call to military service
2. Armed citizenry called out in an emergency, as opposed to a professional military.
By the way, before you start any more stupid rants, the term “opposed” hear does not mean that the militia is fighting the regular military, it means INSTEAD OF.
The National Guard did not even exist until 1907.
Copied from the Merriam Webster’s Dictionary
mi·li·tia \mə-’lish-ə\ n : a body of citizens with some military traini